尼克松： 简·方达
世上有很多关于简·方达的故事
我很同情方达 是个黑户口
她是一位伟大的女演员 她聪明伶俐 但是 孩子 她...
经常在错误的轨道上
HBO纪录片
今晚 力士邀请了如今好莱坞最炙手可热的新星 Tonight, Lux is visiting one of Hollywood's most exciting new stars,
简·方达 Jane Fonda.
简一直在用力士 用了多久 简？ Jane's been using Lux... How long, Jane?
自从我在夏令剧目中第一次参演的角色时 Ever since my first roles in summer stock,
那时我意识到作为一个明星必须要有 I could see that a star just had to have
一个非常好的气色 a really lovely complexion.
画面经过处理呈现
让我来猜一猜 Might I assume that
您应当是一位非常可人的女士？ you are a, uh, very lovely lady?
你猜对了 That you may.
那么 你愿意加入我们的事业吗？ Well, will you join our cause?
什么事业？你们是谁？ What cause? Who are you?
你鄙视以前的你吗？
你为你以前的所作所为感到羞耻吗？
是的
戴头盔的女人是演员简·方达 女演员 The woman in the helmet is Jane Fonda, the actress.
演员简·方达今天 Actress Jane Fonda was arrested
在克利弗兰的机场被捕 today at the airport in Cleveland.
美国司法部表示 他们正在决判 The Justice Department said it is attempting to determine
方达是否违反法律规定 whether Ms. Fonda had violated
犯有煽动叛乱、叛国或违反其他相关法律法规 sedition, treason or other statutes.
任何健康的国家就如同任何健康的个体 Any healthy country, like any healthy individual,
应该保留有随时革命的权利 should be in perpetual revolution,
必要的时候随时做出改变 perpetual change.
你现今能是最受舆论指向的名人 You just may be the most talked about personality
在全国范围内 in the country today.
有很多 呃 带有敌意言论攻击 There's a lot of, uh, hostility towards you.
啊 获胜者是参演《回家》的简·方达 Ah! The winner is Jane Fonda in Coming Home.
今晚我的第一个客人是一个我非常欣赏的女孩 My first guest tonight is a gal that I admire highly.
有趣的是她当时被人们称为激进分子 Funny thing how people who were called radicals at the time
现在却被认为她的行为是正确的 now are considered right-on.
你必须有勇气开口讲出来 You have to have the courage to speak
那些需要做出的改变 about the changes that are needed
同时也包含了挑战 从根本上说 and it includes challenging, at the root,
企业霸权已经接管了这个国家的经济运转 the corporate power that has taken over the economy of this country.
你完成了转型而且和一个亿万富翁完婚 You turn around and marry a billionaire.
你如何从一个角色到另一个 How do you go from one to the other
而不是在某一个角色中迷失？ without completely losing yourself somewhere in there?
片名：简.方达的五幕戏
加利福尼亚州 贝弗利山庄
哦 疼 Ow!
对不起 Sorry.
喝酒还是不喝酒 To drink or not to drink.
我想我还是要喝酒 I think I'll drink.
问题是他们只供应葡萄酒 The problem is they only serve wine.
哦 真的吗？他们没有...他们不喝香槟吗？ Oh, really? They're not doing... They don't do champagne?
我不喝香槟 我也不喝葡萄酒 我喝伏特加 I-I don't drink champagne. I don't drink wine. I drink vodka.
好吧 也许他们有... Well, maybe they can...
我得去贿赂别人 I'll have to bribe somebody.
你知道我曾两次获得奥斯卡奖 You know the two times that I won an Oscar,
都是我自己做的头发化的妆 I did my own hair and makeup.
你在开玩笑吧？ You're kidding?
当我拿起为我爸爸得的小金人的时候 When I picked up the Oscar for my dad...
看起来林德伯格绑架案的婴儿就藏在我的头发里 it looked like the Lindbergh baby was hidden in my hair.
就是那款发型 It's, it's that hair there.
我的意思是 那是80年代 公平地讲已经很不错了 I mean, it was the '80s, just to be fair to myself.
好的 方达 振作点 Okay, Fonda, keep your chin up.
是简·方达 It's Jane Fonda!
方达女士 那 Ms. Fonda, that...
这儿 能不能往这个方向微笑一下？ Yeah, could we have one smile this way?
笑一下？谢谢 One smile? Thank you.
-名利场杂志出版了吗？-是的 - Has Vanity Fair been published? - Yes.
-这个月的？-是的 我在封面上 -Just this month? -Yes, and I'm on the cover.
哦 是的 当然我不会在封面上的 Aw. Yeah, I wouldn't get on the cover.
我从没想过 我从来没有想过我会上 I never thought... I'd never have thought that I would ever...
她们是好莱坞人吗？是吗？ Were they Hollywood women? Is that it?
-这是被称为女人天下的一年-是西尔莎吗？ -It was called the Year of the Woman... -Was it Saoirse?
-甚至都不是来自好莱坞 -确实是的 -Not even from Hollywood. -It was.
爱尔兰人 Irish.
-布丽·拉尔森？-是的 -Brie Larson? -Yeah.
哦 老样子 海伦米伦？ Oh, same old... Helen Mirren?
是的 Yes.
-他们把我踢出去了 然后把你放进进去 -是的 他们是这么做的 -They took me out and put you in. -Yeah, they did.
他们把我赶了出去 They aced me out.
-把21岁的西尔莎--这是你的错 - It went from 21-year-old Saoirse... - This is your fault.
替换下78岁的我 ...to 78-year-old me.
是的 Yeah.
好吧 这没什么大不了的 Well, that's no big deal.
在经历了53年的友谊和11部电影之后 After 53 years of friendship and 11 films together,
你不会觉得我会在给你胡扯了 是吧？ you don't think I'm gonna start to bullshit you now, do you?
-你们这些人？-不 我不的 -You of all people? -No, I don't!
我不配那样想 I wouldn't deserve that.
没错 你不配那样做 That's right. You don't deserve it.
我对你一定会直言不讳 You deserve me to call a spade a spade,
这就是为什么我动身从洛杉矶到这儿来 which is why I dragged my ass here from LA.
听着 布兰达 如果是关于第21幕的 Look, Brenda, if it's about scene 21,
你被描述为"丑陋" where you're described as "ugly,"
“虚弱的 ”呃还有 “你从前美丽的苍白影子 ” "feeble," uh, "a pale shadow of your former beauty."
拜托 想想吧 这只是诗性许可 Please, realize that's just poetic license.
你仍然风韵犹存 You still preserve intact.
你也必须这样 You have to.
当你第一次成为女主角时 那种神秘和那种诱惑力 That mystery, that allure you had when you first became a diva.
当你还是小女孩的时候 When you were little lady Jane Fonda,
那个在虎尾草路上长大的小女孩 up on Tigertail Road...
你梦想过成为一名演员吗？你想成为演员吗？ did you dream about being an actress? Did you wanna be?
我想当演员吗？不 直到我20多岁的时候 Did I want to be an actress? No, not until I was, uh, well into my 20s.
-我都没有 嗯 -真的吗？因为你是 -I-I didn't, um... -Really? 'Cause you were so...
-我想如果你是在这个行业里长大的 -嗯哼 -I think when you grow up in the industry... -Mm-hmm.
你就会发现 呃 人们是怎么 ...and you see, uh, what the people are
-隐藏在他们的面具之下 -嗯哼 -really like behind their masks... -Mm-hm.
你知道 你就不太会被鼓舞到 就不会去当演员 ...you know, you're not too encouraged to become an actor.
第一幕
林肯迪尔先生年轻时 约翰福特 1939年
我在国家纪念碑 I grew up in the shadow
的影子下长大 of a national monument.
等一下 伙计 你刚做了件大蠢事 Wait a minute, buddy. You just done some jackassin'.
你现在就不能闭嘴吗 You can't shut up now.
传单上说他们需要800名采摘工 The handbill said they need 800 pickers,
你笑着说他们不笑要 you laugh and say they don't.
所以是谁在说谎？ Which one's the liar?
我的父亲 他的价值观 My dad, his values,
你知道 就是那种坚定的美国人 you know, solid American...
美国中西部的价值观： Midwestern values:
公平 平等 公正 fairness, equality, justice.
为弱者挺身而出 这就是他迷人的原因 Stand up for the underdog, and that's why he gravitated
正适合《愤怒的葡萄中》 像汤姆乔德这样的人物 to characters like Tom Joad in Grapes of Wrath,
还有《黄牛惨案》中 那些关于私刑和种族主义的 and The Ox-Bow Incident, which was about a lynching and racism.
《十二个怒汉》 我是说 12 Angry Men , I mean,
虽然他没说过 但我知道这些电影 without him ever saying so, I knew that these movies
都表述了那些他永远不会说出的话 expressed what he could never say verbally.
他是美国的脸面 He was the face of the America that...
人们愿意相信他 people wanted to believe in.
我是亨利·方达的女儿 所以就理所当然的意味着 I was Henry Fonda's daughter, which, of course, meant
我应当很有礼貌 我很好 that I was polite, I was nice...
我是邻家女孩 ...I was the girl next door.
那些所有我并感觉不到实质的特质 All the things that I didn't feel I was.
我不喜欢我的身体 我不喜欢自己 我 I didn't like my body. I didn't like myself. I...
我感到羞耻 I felt shy.
我们看起来像美国梦 We looked like the American Dream.
富有 美丽 Rich, beautiful,
封闭 close...
但这些情形大多都是虚构的 but a lot of it was simply myth.
那个夏天 This is the summer
在我11岁的时候 when I was 11.
野餐是为某杂志举办的 我不记得是哪一家了 It was staged for some magazine, I don't remember which one.
这是我的兄弟 彼得 还有我的母亲 Then there's my brother, Peter, and my mother.
那时她在一些机构里忙里忙外 She had been in and out of institutions by that time,
当我看着她的脸 我能看出焦虑和压力 and when I look at her face, I can see the anxiety and the stress,
这让我非常非常难过 and it makes me very, very sad.
我不知道为什么 但我就是对她很反感 I didn't know why, but I had an aversion to her.
我一定要与成功相伴 而助我成功的队伍中仅一人 My team is the winning team, my team is the man,
是我父亲 my dad.
你可以看出他整个人都心不在焉 And you can tell he is not present at all.
他和一个年轻女人有染 He was having an affair with a far younger woman.
家庭野餐 Family picnic.
对我来说 这是一个 To me, that is a very...
悲伤的画面 sad picture.
它说明了一切 It says it all.
我的成长很孤独 I was alone a lot growing up.
我把所有的时间都花在了山上漫步 I spent all my time roaming the hills.
我想成为土著人 I wanted to be Tonto.
在那些日子里 当你真正形成人格的时候 In those days, when you really became somebody,
这意味着你必须是独立的 it meant that you were... independent,
你不需要任何人 you didn't need anybody.
然后我再看向那些房子的窗户 But then I'd look into the windows of houses
人们坐在桌旁 where people were sitting at the table...
我记得 那会给我带来一种渴望的感觉 and I remember, it would bring up a feeling of longing in me.
我想 不管它是什么 And I figured, whatever it is that creates
我所看到的 是温暖的 that thing that I'm looking at, that warm...
光 人们的相谈甚欢 glow of light, people laughing and talking,
但我永远无法置身其中 that will never be mine.
亨利·方达 Henry Fonda,
我们授予你“1952之父”的称号 we name you Stage Father of 1952.
这是你的奖章配以我最衷心的祝贺 Here is your medal and my heartiest congratulations.
谢谢你 谢谢你 奥斯汀先生 Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Austin.
我感到很荣幸 我只是希望 I feel very honored. I just hope that
我的女儿和儿子会被打动的 my Jane and Peter are gonna be properly impressed.
他是许多人的英雄 He was a hero to so many people.
但是 But...
这样的人并不都是好父亲 these kind of men aren't always good fathers.
两者都很难兼顾 It's hard to be both.
我想让爸爸高兴 I wanted to please dad.
你想让我成为什么样的人？我愿意做任何你想让我做的事 Who would you like me to be? I'll do whatever you want,
因为我想要你爱我 'cause I want you to love me.
彼得却恰恰相反 Peter was the opposite.
如果他害怕 他会哭 If he was scared, he'd cried.
如果他对爸爸生气 他会表现出来 If he was angry with dad, he'd show it.
这对彼得来说真的很难 And it was really hard on Peter.
他想做到控制自己远比我困难得多 He had it way harder than me.
比起我 那对简来说更为困难 It's more difficult for Jane than it is for me, actually.
你看 这并不是说他不曾是 或从不是一个有爱的人 You see, it's not that he wasn't or isn't a loving person at all.
他只是没有一个剧本的角色 上面写着：“亨利·方达： He just... has no character with a script that says, "Henry Fonda:
方达说：“我爱你 儿子 ”他就能应付得了 Fonda says, 'I love you son,'" and he would be able to handle it.
如果没有这个脚本 他就无所适从 Without that script, he's got nothing to do.
我的意思是 他必须要有一个特定的面具才能表达他自己 I mean, he has to have the mask in order to express.
简没有办法把让自己变得和她的父亲一样 Jane has no way to attach herself to Henry.
她不再有“他的女儿”这一角色 She's lost out there as his daughter.
当时我20岁 也许21岁 I was 20, maybe 21,
还住在我父亲的房子里 still living at my father's house
在马里布的海滩上 on the beach in Malibu.
我的继母给了我最后通牒： My stepmother had given me an ultimatum:
“今年秋天 你得搬出房子 ” "Come fall, you have to move out of the house."
我该怎么做？ What was I gonna do?
离海滩四分一英里的地方是李·斯特斯拉伯格的房子 A quarter-mile down the beach was Lee Strasberg's house.
他是位伟大的表演教练 He was the great acting coach.
他教过像保罗·纽曼和詹姆斯·迪恩这样的人 当然还有玛丽莲·梦露 He taught people like Paul Newman and James Dean, and, of course, Marilyn Monroe.
我走到了海滩 I walked down the beach,
脱下我的高跟鞋以便走在沙滩上 took off my high-heeled shoes to walk in the sand.
我把鞋子放回去后 敲了敲后门 I knocked on the back door after having put my shoes back on.
他让我进去 He let me in.
他后来说 He later said,
“她似乎是那种最乏味、最传统的女孩” "She seemed to be the most boring, conventional girl...
“除了当我看进她的眼底 "except when I looked into her eyes,
发现有很多隐匿不见的痕迹 ” there was a lot hidden."
他带我进入他的课堂 And he took me into his class.
李教我们潜入 Lee taught us to... dive deep
我们更深的心底 into your own psyche,
那些私人独处时刻和耳濡目染的记忆 private moments, sensory memories,
给你的角色带来更深刻鲜活的生命 to bring a deeper life to your character.
我太害怕了 I was so scared.
我就坐在后面 I sat in the back.
如果我能一直上那表演课我该有多么高兴啊 I would've been happy if I never ended up performing in that class.
最终 大约两个月后 Eventually, after about two months,
李说：“好了 Lee said, "Okay.
“你懂得 明天你就会去付诸行动 ” "You know, tomorrow you're gonna do it."
这个班比平时坐的更满了 The class was fuller than usual.
我想他们是想来看看 I think they wanted to come see
亨利·方达的女儿的真面目 Henry Fonda's daughter fall on her face.
我记得当我结束表演的时候 And then I remember when I was through,
李沉默了很长时间 Lee was silent for a long time.
然后他说 “你知道 我看到过很多人从这里完成他们的表演 And then he said, "You know, I see a lot of people come through here.
你真的很有天赋 ” You have real talent."
我发誓 I swear...
就像有人敲开了我的脑壳 鸟儿从里面飞了出去 it was like someone had opened the top of my head and birds flew out.
大家都从台阶上下来 Everyone off the steps.
黛安娜？ Diane?
我受不了 I can't stand it!
你第一次真正地 The first time you really
发现你喜爱的东西 自然而然的就会喜欢去从事 discover something you love, organically love to do,
你去睡觉的时候 你会喜爱它 you go to sleep loving it,
当你醒着的时候 你还是会喜爱它 and you wake up and you love it,
你不必去刻意想它 and you don't have to think about it,
你不会介意晚上一个人呆在家里 and you don't mind staying home alone at night
因为你有喜欢的事去做 because you've got this thing that you really love to do.
简·方达决定跟随 Jane Fonda decided to follow
她那巨星父亲的脚步 the well-known path trod by her distinguished father,
演员亨利·方达 actor Henry Fonda.
简曾作为一名摄影师的模特 Jane worked as a photographer's model
来谋生而与此同时她也掌握了艺术的精髓 to earn a living while she mastered the art.
-你好 简 -你好 查理 -Hello, Jane. -Hello, Charlie.
我想我们碰到了刚搬到这个公寓的你 I think that we caught you just moving into this apartment.
你们确实是 You certainly did.
简 你认为这对一个女孩来说这很重要吗？ Jane, do you think it's important for a girl
开始独自生活 starting out to be on her own,
像你一样拥有她自己的公寓？ to have her own apartment like this?
这......我想 呃 Well, I think, uh...
我认为 这有助于脱离家庭束缚 it helps, I think, to be away from the family,
尤其是对我来说 particularly for me.
你知道 如果孩子和父母 You know, if a child and the parent
在同一行业工作 work in the same business,
你就会觉得自己更独立了 it's uh, you feel more independent, you know.
我觉得 I feel...
我不需要总是要解释我在做什么 诸如此类的 I don't have to always be explaining what I'm doing and everything like that.
-嗯 你-我希望我父亲不会听见我说的这些 -Uh, you're... - I hope my father's not listening to this.
他可能不会 He probably is.
我的职业生涯猝不及防的开始了 I had this instantaneous career.
我在百老汇演戏剧 I was doing plays on Broadway.
我在好莱坞拍电影 I was making movies in Hollywood.
我获得了托尼奖提名并获得了纽约戏剧评论家协会评为 I was nominated for a Tony and won the New York Drama Critics' Circle Award
今年最有前途的戏剧女演员 for the most promising actress of the year for drama.
好吧 我对外才说 我和布拉德在节目中扮演主角 Well, it says outside that... that Brad and I are starring in the show,
所以 这也是人们都来的原因之一 you know, and that's one of the reasons that people are coming.
但我不觉得 But I don't feel...
我不觉得我能 I don't feel that I can...
不负众望......你知道吗？ quite live up to that, you know?
这是一种很滑稽的感觉 It's a funny feeling.
在那段时间里 During that period of time,
我被卡赞邀请去试镜 I was asked to audition, for Kazan,
《天涯何处无芳草》的女主演然而最后是娜塔莉·伍德得到了这个角色 for the female lead in Splendor in the Grass that Natalie Wood ended up doing.
那是在一个剧院里 卡赞 It was in a theater, and Kazan
把我叫到聚光灯下 called me down to the footlights
然后他站在下面 抬头看着我 and... and he was standing below and he looked up at me,
他说 “你有野心吗？” and he said, "Are you ambitious?"
我说 “没有啊 ” And I said, "No!"
我欺骗了自己 Talk about self-betrayal.
我只是想要普普通通就好 I just wanted to be okay.
我想成为一个好女孩 I wanted to be a good girl.
只是一个好女孩 A good girl
不是一个有抱负的人 is not an ambitious person.
高耸的故事 约书亚洛根 1960年
我成为演员之前也是平平无奇的邻家女孩 I got hired for a whole string of girl next door,
天真的少女 而我后来成为了演员 ingénues, and I became the actor
那就必须会站在聚光灯下 学会浪漫 还要幽默 that would get the light, romantic comedies
从百老汇的戏剧开始 然后会拍成电影 that would start as plays on Broadway and then they'd be made into films.
她已经让他变的优柔寡断了 She's already made him a sissy.
哦 天哪 每次都这样 Oh man, that do it every time.
-嗯 -她明天会回来的 最近一次 -Mm-hmm. -She'll be back tomorrow, at the latest.
好吧 让他们 Well, let 'em.
乔治 你能帮我拿一下我的蓝色拉链袋吗？ George, will you please get my little blue zipper bag?
拜托了？ Please?
你知道我心里想的是什么吗？ You know what I had in mind?
-乔治？-香港 - George? - Hong Kong.
好吧 我自己去拿 All right! I'll get it myself!
-哈？-我出去自己去拿 -Huh? -I'll go out and get it myself!
你知道的 我当时演出的时候完全没问题 You know, and I was, okay at it.
我还做的不错 I was all right.
噢 噢 Oh, ow!
我知道怎么提高嗓门说话 I knew how to talk kind of high
知道什么时候眨眼睛 然后 and blink my eyes and...
赤脚公园 迪尔金·赛克 1967年
停 Whoa.
这是广场酒店 This is the Plaza Hotel, please.
广场酒店 蔻莉 我们到了 Plaza. Corie, it's the Plaza.
等一下 我还没完 Wait a minute, I'm not finished.
蔻莉 人家在等着呢 Corie, the man is waiting, waiting.
给他一大笔小费就好了 Give him a big tip.
保罗 告诉我你不后悔我们结婚了 Paul, tell me you're not sorry we got married.
40分钟后再说好吗？我们先付他几个小时车费 After 40 minutes? Let's give it a couple of hours first.
保罗 如果蜜月都不能解决问题 我们就不要离婚了 Paul, if the honeymoon doesn't work out, let's not get divorced,
我们互相残杀算了 let's kill each other.
让女仆来打理这些 Let's have one of the maids do it.
我听说这里的服务很好 I hear the service here is wonderful.
有时你会发现自己处于同步状态 Sometimes you just find yourself in sync,
简从一开始就有这种特质 and that happened from the very beginning with Jane.
有一些东西 There was just something that,
这是我们之间自然形成的 that naturally developed between us.
我们之间有化学反应 There was a chemistry that just was there,
这也很有趣 and it was also fun.
她透过事物能发现幽默的元素 She saw the humor in things,
但与此同时 but at the same time,
她也表示出了她的不安全感和质疑 she shared her insecurities and her doubts.
在我们的友谊中 我们对彼此非常诚实 In our friendship, we've been very honest with each other
去面对我们的愤怒 我们的挫折 about our angers, our frustrations.
在某一时刻 简本能的说 And, at a certain point, Jane just had an instinct that said,
“有一些深层的东西 不见了 ” "Down deep, there's something missing."
很多人都在试图定义我 A lot of other people were defining me,
那些人都是男人 all of them men.
我从未感受过真实 I never felt real.
我只是想 “我得从我父亲的影子下走出来 ” I just thought, "I've got to get out from under my father's shadow.
“如果我在新浪潮时期去法国 "Maybe if I go to France during the new wave period,
“我可能会” "I will...
找到我真正的自己 ” find who I really am."
我总是在寻找一些人 一些有实感的人 I was always in search of some per... somebody that was real in there.
现在加入我们 罗克布吕纳 刚刚经过尼斯和蒙特卡洛
在那里我们遇见菲尔马凯琳克莱门特
他刚刚从美国海岸铸造了一个迷人的女人
一个犹如带刺玫瑰的女人 布里吉特·巴多特与珍妮·莫罗的混合体
只有一个人能胜任这样的角色
那个令人惊奇的名字：简·方达
-在生活中有没有想过放弃演戏？ -是的 想过 也说不上算是
例如 我发现自己经常处于人生的困境 这是真的
它发生在我身上 我哭了 我看着镜子里的自己 就这样 我想 这就是我
我会记住这部电影 你懂的 当它发生是我觉得很糟糕 因为我想 天哪 我从未真实过
也许永远 我都不知道
第二幕
一天晚上 我刚到巴黎的时候 One night, when I first arrived in Paris,
我和一群演员在马克西姆 I was at Maxim's with a group of actors,
罗杰瓦迪姆走了进来 and Roger Vadim walked in.
我知道他家喻户晓 I knew that he had a reputation.
他娶了碧姬芭铎 他还曾和凯瑟琳德纳芙有一个孩子 He had been married to Brigitte Bardot and he'd had a child with Catherine Deneuve.
他已经导演了《上帝创造了女人》 He had already directed And God Created Woman.
他曾经是一个摇滚明星 He was a rock star.
他走进来 我立刻感到 He walked in, and I immediately felt
如临大敌 endangered.
他是个掠夺者 He felt predatory,
但是很迷人 but charming,
性感 sexy.
我对自己说 “我永远不会 I promised myself, "I will never make a movie
和罗杰瓦迪姆一起拍电影 ” with Roger Vadim."
你认为现在和简·方达一起工作的导演们 知道如何充分利用她吗？
我不认为到目前为止 她已经扮演了属于自己的角色 我认为她还没到巅峰时刻
我正在拍雷内克莱门特的电影 I was making the Rene Clement movie
叫做《一群猫》 called Les Felins .
你为什么那样看着我？ Why are you looking at me like that?
我对你有是不是很有吸引力吗？ Am I attractive to you?
我刚刚拍完一个场景 I had just done a scene
我在一个泰迪熊里面 你知道的 只穿着内衣 where I'm in a teddy, you know, a little underwear,
呃 我 我之后...... and, uh, I... I got a...
得到了瓦迪姆在餐厅里的信息 想要见我 message that Vadim was in the canteen and... and wanted to see me.
我才意识到 我很高兴去见他 I realized that I was excited to see him.
我披上了风衣 I threw on my trench coat,
风风火火的跑进食堂的时候 and as I ran into the canteen,
风衣被掀开了 the trench coat blew open.
那天晚上 我们回了我的旅馆 And that night, we went back to my hotel.
他的英语说得不太好 He didn't speak very good English.
也许如果他说的好的话 我就可能不会嫁给他了 Maybe if he had, I'd never have married him.
你知道 瓦迪姆太有魅力了 You know, Vadim's so charismatic,
有着致命的诱惑力和吸引力 so utterly seductive and charming.
你和瓦迪姆一起逛协和广场 You walked down the Champs-Élysées with Vadim,
就像和罗伯特雷德福在街上散步 it was like walking down the street with Robert Redford.
我的意思是 人们会像是..... I mean, people would like...
他们会狂热并要求他的亲笔签名 还有 They'd freak and ask for his autograph, and...
我们的生活是令人兴奋的 嗯 还有点享乐主义 Our life together was heady and, um, slightly hedonistic.
但是 他的确十分平易近人 But then there was this old shoe quality to him,
这是他的最让人感到舒服的地方 it was this comfortable part of him.
娜塔莉 Nathalie!
他每天都要到城里去看他的女儿 He'd cross town to see his daughter every day.
哇噢 Aww.
哦 Oh.
当我三岁的时候 简进入了我的生活中 Jane came into my life when I was three.
她看起来很年轻 我记得 She looked very young, I remember that.
比她看起来年轻 Younger than she was.
我很少见到我的亲生母亲 I would see my biological mother rarely.
简总是在那里 And Jane was always there.
所以我变得非常接近她 And so I became really close to her.
她成了我的代理妈妈 基本上 She became my surrogate mother, basically,
还有那个抚养我长大的人 and the person who... who raised me.
我们搬进了我在巴黎郊外买的房子 We moved into a farmhouse that I bought outside of Paris.
有一些东西对我很有吸引力 There was something so appealing to me
比如说在某处扎根 about putting down roots.
我目睹自己 I saw myself
结婚和成家 being married and having a family
在法国定居 and living in France.
然而 Well,
瓦迪姆是那样充满了矛盾的一个人 Vadim was so full of contradictions.
有很多问题我只是选择忽视 There were a lot of issues that I just chose not to see.
我不知道什么是强迫性赌博或是酗酒 I didn't know what compulsive gambling was or alcoholism.
如果我抱怨 他会叫我刻薄的中产阶级 If I would complain, he would call me bourgeois.
哦 天哪你永远不用担心钱的问题 Oh my God... forbid that you would ever be worried about money
或抱怨没钱或抱怨 or complain about money or complain about
婚外情之类的 extramarital affairs or anything like that.
当她发现自己的兴趣时 她就会专注于她的兴趣 When she finds an interest, she's focused on it.
在那个时候 她的的兴趣就是瓦迪姆 所以 At that point, that interest was Vadim, so...
她成了瓦迪姆想要的样子 she became what Vadim wanted.
他了解你吗 简？ Does he know you that well, Jane?
我认为他比我自己更了解我 I think he, he knows me better than I know me.
女演员通常都有些......笨 Actresses are usually quite... dumb.
因为我们自以为是的认为自己什么都能做好 We're really quite stupid about what we think we can do well.
然后这位导演的出现 And it's the director that comes along
给我们开拓思路带来新的灵感 and makes us use muscles we've never used before.
瓦迪姆 一直都是这样 Vadim... does that all the time.
我会说 “我不能那样做 我不能演那个场景 ” I would say, "I can't do that, I... I can't play that scene."
他会让我去演 而那些场景会很不错 And he'd make me do it, and they'd be the good scenes.
这就是我 试图不被男人去定义 Here I was, trying to not be defined by men,
却最终得到了一个女性定义者的 ended up with a man who was the ultimate
终极审判 definer of femininity.
那是我当时的情况 That's where I was at that time.
我想要有人来塑造我 I wanted someone to mold me.
我想要他 I wanted him...
帮助我成为一个女人 to help me become a woman.
迪诺德劳伦提斯送给我一本非常有名的法国漫画书 名叫芭芭拉 Dino De Laurentiis sent me the very famous French comic book called, Barbarella.
他想拍一部电影 我要演芭芭拉 He wanted to make a movie, and would I play Barbarella.
现在 我知道当时巴多特已经拒绝了 索菲亚罗兰拒绝了 Now, I knew that Bardot had turned it down, Sophia Loren had turned it down,
我也不想演 and I didn't want to do it.
我是说 我看着这些图片 I mean, I look at these pictures,
我不认同芭芭拉 I didn't identify with Barbarella.
瓦迪姆是 我想 Well, Vadim was, I think,
可能是世界第一的科幻小说迷 probably the number one science fiction aficionado in the world.
所以 如果有一个关于性的科幻故事 So, when you have a science fiction story that's about sex...
我不可能不去拍这部电影 他也打算导演这部电影 there was no way I was not gonna do this movie, and he was going to direct it.
【芭芭拉】1968年
瓦迪姆想让这部电影以太空脱衣舞的方式开场 Vadim wanted the film to open with a space strip tease.
他拿了一套 He took the set
这个样子 and turned it so that
布景是面对着收音台的天花板 the opening of the set was facing the ceiling of the sound stage.
然后他在上方放了一块很厚的玻璃 Then he put a very thick pane of glass over it,
然后我躺在玻璃上 and then I laid on top of the glass
就像我漂浮在太空中一样 like I was floating in space.
然后我必须赤身裸体 And then I had to be naked.
我喝醉了 我喝了超多伏特加 I was drunk. I drank so much vodka to do that.
这对我来说太可怕了 It was so terrifying for me.
然后第二天早上 我们听说有一只蝙蝠 And then the next morning, we hear that a bat
飞在 had flown...
在我和摄像机之间 between me and the camera
之前是吊在天花板上的 that was hanging from the ceiling.
然后我们只能再拍一遍 and spoiled the take and we had to do it again.
哦 上帝 Oh, God.
但这办法确实管用 So the take that actually got used,
我不仅醉了 还宿醉 I was not only drunk, I was hungover, too.
你是普通的地球女性吗？ Are you typical of Earth women?
我就是个普通人 I'm about average.
即便我现在看这部电影的时候 我还是非常喜欢它 When I look at the movie now, I thoroughly enjoy it.
我的意思是 我认为这只是一次野营一样 I mean, I think it's just a camp
只是个玩笑 我不认为那是性感 romp, really. I don't think it's particularly sexy.
我不是一个提问者 I wasn't a questioner.
对我来说 肤浅的东西是很容易演 Superficial can come pretty easy to me.
我的意思是 它更方便我去表演 I mean, it's more convenient.
你知道 我 You know, I spent...
几十年来没有问过太多的问题 quite a few decades not asking too many questions.
曾经有一段时间 There was a time when
我非常相信 I believed so strongly
如果美国士兵在某处战斗 that if American soldiers were fighting somewhere,
我们必须站在天使的一边 we had to be on the side of the angels.
在我看来 不可能有别的选择 It was inconceivable to me that it could be otherwise.
我父亲参加过第二次世界大战 My father had fought in the Second World War.
他为之自豪 我明白这一点 He was so proud of it, I understood that.
而我曾是1959年的陆军征兵官 I mean, I was Miss Army Recruiter in 1959.
我记得在1964年 I remember in 1964,
瓦迪姆和我在圣特罗佩兹 Vadim and I were in St. Tropez.
他拿起报纸 头条新闻 He picked up the paper, and the headlines
在讨论国会是如何通过“通金湾决议”的 were talking about how Congress had passed the Tonkin Gulf Resolution.
瓦迪姆爆发了 Vadim erupted,
我的无政治主义的丈夫 my non-political husband.
“他们在做什么？他们不可能赢得那场战争 ” "What are they doing? There is no way they can win that war."
“你的国会已经疯了 ” "Your Congress is out of its mind."
我在想 “真酸 只是因为你们没赢 And I'm thinking, "Sour grapes. Just 'cause you guys didn't win,
法国人 想想越南战争 ”你明白我的意思吗？ the French, when you fought the Vietnamese." You know?
我其实也不是很了解 That was how... little I knew.
我和西蒙娜西诺特的关系非常亲密 I had grown very close to Simone Signoret.
她是法国顶级电影明星之一 She was one of the top French movie stars.
她成为了一名积极分子 And she had become an activist.
她当过艺术家 作家 诗人 哲学家 Artists, writers, poets, philosophers
她处在激进主义的前沿 were at the forefront of activism.
西蒙妮·德·波伏瓦 Simone de Beauvoir,
让·保罗·萨特 Jean Paul Sartre.
我并没有混迹在这些圈子里 I didn't really move in those circles
除了西蒙西格诺特之外 with the exception of Simone Signoret.
她有点 She kind of...
她为我打开了一扇门 opened the door a crack for me.
但是 你知道 我记得当时在想 But, you know, I remember thinking,
“我不像她想象的那么聪明 ” "I'm not as smart as she thinks I am."
1968年 1968.
我怀孕了 I was pregnant.
我认为当一个女人怀孕的时候 I think that when a woman is pregnant,
比以往任何时候都更像海绵一样容纳百川 more than ever, she's like a sponge.
非常适应和接受在以太中存在的东西 Very attuned to and receptive to what's in the ether.
不仅仅是在她身边 而是在整个世界上 Not just around her, but in the world.
我在电视上看特技攻势 I'm watching on television the Tet Offensive.
我正在看芝加哥的新闻短片 I'm looking at newsreel from Chicago.
我们将在这里聚集 We are going to gather here
无论如何都要 by any means necessary.
示威 那些殴打 血腥 The demonstrations, the beatings, the bloodiness.
我想到了西蒙妮 I thought of Simone.
我开车去她的农舍 I drove to her farmhouse
在乡下 out in the country.
我记得 她打开门 她说 And I remember, she opened the door and she said,
“我一直在等你 ” "I've been waiting for you."
她说 “我知道你会来谈论这场战争 ” She said, "I knew you'd come to talk about the war."
西蒙妮向我解释说 Simone explained to me that,
越南战争已经持续了数千年 that the Vietnamese had been fighting for thousands of years,
他们对抗蒙古对抗中国 against the Mongols, against China.
他们总是能赢 They had always won.
至于美国要打一场战争 For America to fight a war
数千英里之外 thousands and thousands of miles away,
在一个他们不理解的国家里 in a country that they didn't understand,
反对那些 against a people who...
说到底只是想征求独立的人 wanted, above all else, independence.
我们不可能赢 There was no way that we could win.
你知道 这很有趣 突然 You know, it's funny, suddenly,
我觉得我比以前更有感触 I felt, more than I ever had,
美国人啊 American.
这似乎是完全矛盾的 It seems completely contradictory,
你知道 几年后 you know, in a few years,
不喜欢我的人会说 people that didn't like me were saying,
“回到河内去”诸如此类 "Go back to Hanoi," and all that.
但我觉得 “不 不 不 这是” But I felt, "No, no, no, this is...
“是我们走错了路 "We've taken a wrong path.
“我想和我的人民在一起 在我的国家 "I want to be with my people, in my country,
“试着纠正一些事情 ” "and try to make this right."
我真的 我希望我的生命有意义 I really, I wanted my life to have meaning.
但我结婚了 我怀孕了 But I was married, and I was pregnant, and...
我的天哪 我不知道该怎么办 Oh my gosh. I don't know what to do.
我说 我只是不知道该怎么办 I said, I just don't know what to do.
她意识到 She realized that
她不仅仅想做一个家庭主妇 女演员 there was more to life than just being a housewife, actress.
瓦迪姆 尽管思想进步了许多 And Vadim, although progressive,
参与政治讨论 但真心参与其中是不可能的 getting involved in politics, and really getting involved, was not his thing.
凡妮莎出生 Vanessa was born...
这是一个非常 非常 非常痛苦的出生 and it was a very, very, very traumatic birth.
他们用了手术钳把我撕裂 They used forceps, and they tore me.
我大出血 I hemorrhaged a lot.
我患有产后抑郁症 I was suffering from postpartum depression.
我没有母乳 My milk didn't come...
这种反应应该形成 嗯...... That bond that's supposed to happen, um,
但就是没有 it just didn't.
我觉得我是一个坏妈妈 I felt like I was the bad mother,
我很害怕 and I was terrified.
这让我很惊讶 这种恐惧的感觉 It surprised me, this feeling of fear.
后来 当我回首往事的时候 我知道为什么 And, you know, later on, as I look back on it, I know why.
那是因为 It was because...
这很难说 嗯 It's hard to talk about. Um...
我总是把我母亲看作是受害者 I always saw my mother as a victim.
女人等于受害者 Women equals victim.
“我是一个女人 "I am a woman,
我要被伤害了 我要被榨干了" I am gonna be damaged, I am gonna be crushed."
我的母亲是一个非常复杂的女人 My mother was a very complicated woman,
非常非常漂亮的女人 very, very beautiful woman,
但她似乎总是生病 but she always seemed sick.
我们坐在客厅里 她握着我的手 We'd sit in the living room, and she'd hold my hand,
她的手会像这样颤抖 and her hand would be trembling like this.
还有 And...
我不想让她感觉不束缚 所以我也会让我的手颤抖 I didn't want her to feel bad so I would make my hand tremble, too.
我的意思是 这是很难说清楚的 I mean, it was... it was hard to figure out
她身上到底发生了什么 what was happening with her.
可怜的妈妈 Poor mom.
我想她不应该嫁给父亲 I think my father was not the person she ever should have married.
他对她不友善 He was not kind to her.
我父亲去百老汇演罗伯茨先生 My father went to Broadway to do Mr. Roberts.
所以我们搬到了康涅狄格州 And so we moved to Connecticut.
我的母亲 那是她精神健康 My mother... that was where her mental health
完全恶化的地方 was really deteriorating.
我当时不知道 I didn't know it at the time,
是舞台经理的妹妹 but the sister of the stage manager
比我大7岁 was seven years older than me,
我父亲爱上了她 and my father had fallen in love with her.
显然 对我母亲来说 这是一个艰难的时期 It was a difficult time for my mother, obviously.
我记得我在吃晚饭的时候 I remember sitting at dinner...
我们吃了垃圾食品 We ate Spam,
不总是吃那些 not all the time,
但偶尔也会有罐头水果和垃圾食品 but occasionally, it would be canned fruit and Spam.
很奇怪 Very weird.
坐在桌子旁 And sitting at the table,
我垂下眼帘看到妈妈 I looked down and my mother was...
她的脸上流下了泪水 there were tears pouring down her face
滴落在她的餐盘上 onto her dinner plate.
我的祖母在这里 我的弟弟没有人说一句话 And my grandmother was here, and my brother... and no one said a word.
我记得有一天下午她 And I remember, one afternoon her
被送进医院 being taken to a hospital.
上次她回家的时候 The last time she came home,
她说服了该机构的人 she has convinced the people at the institution
说她康复了 他们让她回家 that she was getting well and they let her come home,
有一个护士陪着她 with a nurse accompanying her.
我弟弟和我在楼上玩杰克 My brother and I had been upstairs playing jacks.
外婆叫我们下来 Grandma called for us to come down,
我不会去的 and I wouldn't go.
我对彼得说：“你去吧 我让你赢 I said to Peter, "You go and I'll let you win,
如果你走下去 我就不用去了 ” if you go down, I'm not going."
我再也没见过她 I never saw her again.
就在那一天 她把一个刀片从房子里偷出来 That was the day she snuck a razor out of the house,
然后自杀了 and then killed herself.
有一天我从学校回到家 I came home from school one day,
我的父亲和祖母坐在客厅里 my father and my grandmother were sitting in the living room,
他们让我坐下 他们说 and they sat me down, and they said,
“你的母亲死于心脏病 ” "Your mother died of a heart attack."
我能听到彼得在哭 I could hear Peter crying.
我一直在想 “为什么我哭不出来？”我从来没有哭过 And I kept thinking, "Why can't I cry?" I never cried.
我从来没有哭过 我坐在我的床沿上 I never cried, I sat on the edge of my bed
想着 “我怎么了？” thinking, "What's the matter with me?"
人们会说 And people would say,
“天啊 简不是很令人惊讶吗？” "God, Jane isn't she amazing?
“她心理太强大了 ” "She's so strong."
所以这种无谓的赞许 会一直加在你头上 So it was like approbation for keeping it all in.
这就成了我的一贯做风 And that became my modus operandi.
嗯 Um...
对我来说 很难做到这一点 it was very hard for me to ever be able to kinda do away
克服心理障碍花了很长很长的时间 with that. It took a long, long time.
嗯 Um...
你有没有注意到 嗯 或者观察 Did you notice, uh, or observe
你父亲对你母亲的死有何反应？ how your father reacted to your mother's death?
嗯 爸爸出来了 他把这个消息告诉了我 Well, dad came out and he dropped the news,
然后回到纽约 继续演戏 and then went back to New York and did his play.
嗯 Um...
那是爸爸 that was dad.
演出必须继续 The show must go on.
我父亲带我去了联合车站 My father took me to Union Station,
带着我的手提箱 with my suitcase,
把我送到寄宿学校的火车上 and put me on the train to boarding school.
他刚再婚 He was newly married.
他在百老汇的戏剧里 He was in a play on Broadway, and...
在夏天拍电影 我是说 很明显 making films in the summer. I mean, it was obvious
彼得和我不能继续和他住在一起 that Peter and I couldn't continue living at home with him.
没有人跟我们谈过我母亲的遭遇 Nobody had ever talked to us about what had happened with my mother.
我发现真相是因为有一本电影杂志 I found out because of a movie magazine.
上面写着 “亨利方达的前妻 弗朗西斯德维勒尔方达 And it said, "Henry Fonda's ex-wife, Frances de Villers Fonda,
“在里格斯研究所用剃刀割破她的喉咙”和 "cut her throat with a razor at the Riggs Institute," and...
在很多不同的层面上 这都一个令人难堪的局面 It was an awkward situation on a lot of different levels.
对我爸爸来说 寄宿学校让我们 And, to my dad, boarding school was getting us
到一个安全的地方 into a safe place,
我们也不会给他添乱了 and it was also getting us out of his hair.
它就像一个避风港 It was like a haven.
这是我生命中最稳定的东西 它是我生命的核心 It was a... it was the steady thing in my life. It was the core of my life.
我开始意识到 I became very aware
事实上 我真的与众不同 of the fact that I was really different,
不仅仅是因为我父亲很有名 not just because my father was famous.
我们只是过着不同的生活 We just lived differently.
这里没有安排好的剧本 There was no... continuity.
苏珊是他的第三任妻子 Susan was his third wife,
在那之后 他还会再来两个 he would have two more after that.
我没有一个固定的朋友圈 I didn't have a community of friends
在我来这之前 我已经去上学了 that I had gone to school with before I came here.
我的朋友是我在原来那里交的朋友 My friends were the friends that I made here.
我喜欢它 I loved it.
我热爱生物学 I loved biology.
我也热爱历史 I also loved history.
我喜欢罗马和希腊的历史 I loved the Roman and Greek history.
这就是我进入暴食症的原因 That's how I got into bulimia,
学习罗马人如何填饱自己 然后 learning about how the Romans would gorge themselves and then...
我有一个室友 I had a roommate,
卡罗尔本特利 Carol Bentley.
卡罗尔教我做这件事 Carol taught me to do this.
当然 And of course...
你知道 我们没有意识到 you know, we didn't realize...
当我们开始吃的时候 我们没有意识到 what we were starting, we didn't realize how...
它有多危险 多上瘾 how dangerous it was, and how addictive,
以及它将如何影响我们的生活 and how it would affect so much of our lives.
但它是从这里开始的 But it's... it started here.
你从没告诉过任何人你 You never told anybody that you were...
这样做 doing this.
我以为只有她、我和罗马人 I thought it was just her and me and the Romans.
我从来没想过别人会这么做 It never occurred to me that anybody else did it.
母亲们常常为此受到指责 但对我来说 Mothers are often blamed for that, but for me,
那是那是我爸爸会受到责备 it was... it was my dad.
我让他感到惭愧 I made him ashamed.
他认为我很胖 He thought I was fat...
因为我看起来不像他想要的样子 because I didn't look the way he wanted me to look.
我知道他不希望我在身边 I knew that he didn't want me around,
或者我让他难堪 or that I embarrassed him,
我的意思是 他告诉过其他人 and, I mean, he told people that.
我听到我父亲对我的身体说了些什么 I heard my father say things about my body
从那以后 这就深深地扭曲了我的生活 that has twisted my life in deep ways ever since.
顺便说一下 他的大多数妻子都患有饮食失调症 And, by the way, most of his wives suffered from eating disorders,
包括我的母亲 including my mother.
所以我母亲自杀的阴影 So the shadow of my mother's suicide,
在我去艾玛威拉德的前一年 which happened a year before I went to Emma Willard,
从来没有散去过 was never far away.
我要离开这些风流韵事了 I'm gonna get off this merry-go-round.
我真讨厌这恶心的东西 I'm so sick of the whole stinkin' thing.
什么东西？ What thing?
生活 Life.
《他们射马 不是吗？》这是我第一次拍 They Shoot Horses, Don't They? was the first time I had ever made a movie that...
真正有内容的电影 was about something.
在某种程度上 这是一个隐喻 It's a metaphor, in a way,
为了 for...
美国社会 贪婪 American society, greed.
以及那些不情愿的人的绝望 And the desperation of people who don't
那些没有有金钱和特权的人 have money and privilege.
在大萧条时期 During the Depression,
人们会去参加这些舞蹈马拉松 people would go to these dance marathons
努力赢得各种奖项 to try to win all kinds of prizes.
他们会不停地跳舞几周 And they would dance without stopping for weeks.
这些可爱的孩子值得你的欢呼 These wonderful kids deserve your cheers
因为他们每一个 because each one of them
是在对抗痛苦 疲劳 疲惫 is fighting down pain, exhaustion, weariness,
挣扎着继续前进 奋力争取胜利 struggling to keep going, battling to win.
这难道不是美国式精神吗？ And isn't that the American way?
在我们开始拍摄之前 Before we started shooting,
悉尼波拉克打电话给我 Sydney Pollack called me.
我不知道他是谁 I didn't know who he was.
他可能拍了一部电影 He'd made, maybe, one other movie.
我永远不会忘记 他说 “你看 你觉得这个剧本怎么样？ And I'll never forget it, he said, "You know, what do you think of the script?
“告诉我你认为我们遗漏了什么 ” "Tell me what you think we've left out.
“如果你认为还有什么重要的东西 请告诉我 ” "Let me know if you think there's something important."
我的意思是 没有一个导演 包括我的丈夫 Well, I mean, no director had... including my husband,
他导演了我几部电影 who directed me in several movies...
曾经有这样跟我说话 had ever... talked to me that way,
问我对那些深奥的事情的看法 asked my opinion about things that were profound.
我一直觉得她是 I always had this sense that she was...
一个严肃的女演员 a serious actress
她的思想被包裹在迷人的外表里 buried inside this glamour-puss.
工作 工作 工作 Work, work, work!
《他们射马 不是吗？》是一部更加黑暗的电影 They Shoot Horses, Don't They? was a much darker film,
让她自己去挑战一个不同的领域 and asked her to go to a different place in herself.
她很出色 在这个角色上 And she was great in the role.
表演中没有一丝虚荣 There's not a shred of vanity in the performance.
悉尼让我学会思考 Syndey made me feel seen,
还有价值 and of worth.
所以我想 “是的 我要去那里 ” And so I thought, "Yeah, I'm gonna go there."
我把自己投入到角色中 I threw myself into the character
我以前从未有过 the way I never had before.
我住在工作室 I lived at the studio.
我看了一些疯狂的人的图片和画 I looked at paintings and pictures of crazy people.
我把自己包裹在黑暗的茧中 I wrapped myself in a cocoon of darkness.
我有一个 六个月大的孩子和一个丈夫 I had a... six-month-old child and a husband.
但是我还没有足够的表演技术 But I just didn't have the technique yet where I could go
让我走进我能触及的深渊 as far down the dark hole as I possibly could,
做为一个妻子和母亲 and be a wife and mother.
我必须呆在黑暗的洞穴里 I had to stay in the dark hole.
我母亲与我同在 The presence of my mother was with me.
我必须让自己达到一个境界 I had to get myself to a point
就是让我真正的感觉 “为什么要继续下去？” where I really felt... "Why go on?
这是绝对没有意义的 ” There's absolutely no point."
现在？ Now?
现在 Now.
然后 事情发生了变化 Then, something shifted.
我的假发从头上掉了下来 My wig from They Shoot Horses comes off,
我有一头长长的 仍然是巴巴拉式的头发 I've got this long, still-Barbarella-esque hair,
我只是想 “这不再是我了 ” and I just thought, "This is not me anymore."
我第一次有了灵感 I had my first hair epiphany.
有人说我的头发有自己的想法 Someone said my hair needed its own agent.
我去找瓦迪姆的理发师 保罗麦格雷戈 And I went to Vadim's barber, Paul McGregor,
在格林威治村有一家沙龙 who had a salon in Greenwich Village,
我说 “做点什么吧 and I said, "Do something.
把它剪掉 ” Cut if off."
他给我剪了一个被称为“克卢特发型”的样式 And he gave me what has become known as the Klute hairdo.
【柳巷芳草】1971年
我感到很矛盾对扮演妓女是否是个好主意这件事 I was very conflicted about whether it was a good idea to be playing a hooker.
在我们开始拍摄之前 Before we started shooting,
我来到纽约 花了一周的时间和应召女郎和女士们在一起 I came to New York and spent a week with call girls and madams,
真的是在黑暗世界的深处 really in the bowels of that dark world.
有一种艰辛 There was a hardness
对他们来说 这是一种痛苦的观察 to them that was painful to watch.
没有一个皮条客看了我两次 Not one pimp looked at me twice,
甚至都没向我眨过眼睛 didn't even wink at me.
这对我来说 正是对我的不安全感的反馈 And what that said to me was, it played right to my insecurities,
“他们知道” "They know...
我只是一个上层阶级的特权者 ” I'm just an upper-class, privileged pretender."
这就是我想对Alan Pakula说的 And that's what motivated me to say to Alan Pakula,
“我只是我不我不知道我是否能扮演这个角色 ” "I just... I don't... I don't know if I can play this character.
你应该用费伊杜纳 ” And you should hire Faye Dunaway."
她走到我面前说：“艾伦 我不想干了 ” She came up to me and she said, "Alan, I want out.
我不知道我在做什么 ” I don't know what I'm doing."
“我只是觉得我错了 ” And "I just think I'm wrong for this.
我认为这是行不通的 ” I think it's not gonna work."
找别人 ” Get somebody else."
我说 “我不会让你退出的 ” And I said, "I'm not letting you out."
如果没有简 我是不可能完成这个蓝图的 There was no way I would have done that picture without Jane.
简是一个迷人的组合体 Jane is a fascinating combination
一个十分有勇气的女人 of a woman who has great courage,
强有力 同时 great strength, and at the same time,
就像是已经习惯了 被 had been used to being... like maybe attracted to being controlled
别人控制一样 by somebody else.
我想 简在她的生活中 And I thought, where Jane was in her life then,
在一个非常的过渡的时期 她是绝对是正确的 in a very transition time, was absolutely right
对于一个想要改变自己生活的女人来说 for this character of a woman who's trying to change her life.
我带来了一些不同的东西在《花街杀人案》中 I brought something different to Klute
比以前的要多的多 than I had before.
她受了伤 She was wounded.
再也没有信任的理由了 There was no ability to trust anymore,
这对她来说是如此艰难 that was what was so hard for her.
一旦我开始沉浸在那种感觉中 Once I began to kind of marinate in that feeling,
我可以 嗯那么我就可以扮演她 I could, um... then I could play her.
出去打个电话有什么关系呢 What's the difference between going out on a call
作为一个模特 还是一个演员或者一个应召女郎？ as a model or as an actress or as a call girl?
作为一个应召女郎 你是成功的 你不是成功的...... You're successful as a call girl, you're not suc...
因为当你是应召女郎时 你就能控制住自己 这就是原因 Because when you're a call girl, you control it, that's why.
我对艾伦说 “我们能拍下所有精神病医生的场景吗？ I said to Alan, "Can we shoot all those psychiatrist's scenes
“在最后的结尾” "at the very, very end...
当我能把这个角色完全理解的时候？ when I've internalized her the most completely?"
我什么都没写 Nothing was written.
我没有准备任何特别的东西 I hadn't prepared anything in particular.
我只是想活在当下 I just wanted to be present in the moment,
让该发生的事情发生 and let whatever happened happen.
我就开始即兴创作 I just started improvising.
一个小时 And for an hour...
给我一个小时 我是世界上最好的女演员 For an hour, I'm the best actress in the world
世界上最好的 还有 and the best fuck in the world, and...
你不需要有任何感觉 you don't have to feel anything,
你不需要关心任何事情 you don't have to care about anything,
你不需要喜欢任何人 you don't have to like anybody...
这来自于我的一个新领域 That came from a new place in me.
那时我意识到任何人都可以改变 That's when I realized that anyone can change
变得有攻击性 and become fierce.
简方达 你最近一直在让公众大吃一惊 Jane Fonda, you've been taking your public by surprise recently.
而不是在圣特罗佩的海滩上被拍到 Instead of being pictured on the beaches of St. Tropez, you've been pictured
而是入侵军营并被逮捕 invading Army camps and getting yourself arrested.
从我的角度看 看起来就像一个全新的简方达 From where I am, it looks like a different Jane Fonda.
哦 我想你是对的 我想我是确实与众不同 Oh, I think you're right. I think I am different.
罗杰瓦迪姆是法国人 他是电影导演 Roger Vadim is French, a director of motion pictures,
还是简方·达的丈夫 and the husband of Jane Fonda.
方达在和平运动中表现的十分活跃 Ms. Fonda is quite active in the peace movement,
致力于民权领域 为帮助墨西哥裔美国人而努力 the civil rights field, efforts to aid Mexican-Americans,
服务于美国印第安人和持不同政见的士兵 American-Indians, and dissident soldiers.
瓦迪姆说：“方达很高兴 她非常高兴 Vadim says, "Ms. Fonda is happy, very happy.
“但她下定决心”正如他所说 "But said she decided," as he put it,
承担起她祖国犯下的罪恶 她已经失去了她曾经的幽默感 "To take on the sins of her country, she has lost her sense of humor."
举一个恰当的例子 As a case in point,
他说 有一天 他打电话给她 he reported that one day, recently, he called her
“美国人的简 ” "Jane of Arc."
他说 她觉得一点也不好笑 He says, she didn't laugh at all.
我那时就意识到我必须离开瓦迪姆 I knew that I was gonna have to leave Vadim,
要离开那种完完全全的乐主义的家庭关系 and that whole hedonistic relationship.
我觉得我的做法让他非常困惑 And I think it was deeply confusing for him
他关怀备至的妻子要离开他 to have a wife that he cared for leave him...
不是为了另一个男人 而是为了一个想法 not for another man, but for an idea.
她善于很快的从事物的影响中走出来 She tends to move on from things.
其实 你不会真正意识到你自己的一些做法是怎么潜移默化的影响旁人的 You know, you don't really realize how you affect people when you do that.
就像 “哦 好吧 我不再做这个事了 It's like, "Oh, okay, now I'm done with this,
因此 我要去结交新朋友 过全新的生活 ” therefore I'm gonna make new friends, and it's gonna be a new life."
你知道 我们被她甩在身后了 You know, and we got left behind.
我从法国回来 I came back from France
搬进了我父亲的房子 and I moved into my father's house.
我开始成为一名积极分子 And I began to... become an activist.
我父亲可以透过楼上的窗户看到 And my father could look from the upstairs window
院子里 down onto the courtyard and see
黑豹党的领导们进进出出 the leadership of the Black Panther Party going in and out,
他对我说 “如果我发现 and he said to me, "If I find out
你是一个共产主义支持者 我就要把你关起来 ” you are a Communist, I'm gonna turn you in!"
我记得我跑回我的房间 但我还和他住在一起 And I remember running to my room, I was still living with him,
就只能用被子盖住我的头 and just pulling the covers over my head.
一种恐惧的心理遍布全身 对我来说 It came out of a fear, for me
我现在明白那种感觉了 但那时感觉是很伤人的 I understand that now, but it was so hurtful then.
如果你是一个出类拔萃的年轻人 你就会为自己的想法 If you were good young people, you would be fitting yourself
付诸行动 并向我们大家证明 into a scenario that has been laid out for all of us,
制定一个合适的方案让我们适应美国式的生活方式 a nice, set scenario to fit us into the American way of life.
所以说这就要求你举止得体 And it says that you must conduct yourselves
以符合人民群众的认可和标准的方式 in the manner that meets the approval and standards of the people in power.
我们称之为“独立自主” It's called making it on your own.
我们可以为越南战争做很多事情 There was so much catching up to do about Vietnam
还有关于印第安人的 and about Native Americans
以及黑人的遭遇 and about what was happening to black people,
黑豹党派 the Black Panthers.
我是怎么就这样 How could I have reached the age of 32
在这种无知中活了32年？ in such ignorance?
我感到很内疚 I felt so guilty,
我觉得我不得不去做 and I just felt like I had to, kind of,
所以我一夜之间变成了 all of a sudden become an overnight...
一个代表正义的积极分子 righteous activist.
好吧 All right!
人们普遍认为 It's generally acknowledged that
刚加入这个运动的人们会变成狂热分子 new people who join the movement become zealots.
你知道 他们就像信教徒 You know, they're like converts, you know.
我认为简立场很坚定 And I think that Jane is convinced
她要阻止越南战争 that she is going to stop the war in Vietnam,
她知道怎么做才是最好的 and that she knows what is best
以及如何去做 and how to do it.
我想人们都 I think people felt
很怀疑我的动机 very suspicious about my motives.
如果换做我 我就会怀疑 I would've if I'd been somebody else.
“你是一个富有的电影明星 你为什么在乎？为什么你” "You are a rich movie star. Why do you care? Why are you...
“让自己置身其中？” "involving yourself in this?
我怎么能相信你是动真格的呢？” And how can I be sure that you're for real?"
我不太清楚自己在做什么 I didn't quite know what I was doing,
或者如何恰当地利用我的名人的头衔 or how to make proper use of my celebrity.
很多事情就是让人猝不及防 So much had happened so quickly.
我时而暴食 时而厌食 I was alternately bulimic and anorexic.
我有时可能会一天只吃一个煮熟的鸡蛋和菠菜 I would, maybe, eat one soft-boiled egg and spinach a day, period.
我服用右旋麻黄碱使我兴奋 I took Dexedrine, which is speed.
那段时间我真的很兴奋 So I was really speedy,
我也一直有饥饿感 and I was starving,
还有些症状 比如 获取那些新的 along with, like, getting all of this new...
信息 电光火石的涌入我的大脑 information coming in at a very rapid pace.
我们今天在这里 和全国各地的人们一起 We here today, together with the multitudes across the country
参与这场大规模的抗议活动 that are joined together in massive protest,
向理查德尼克松和他的顾问们表明 are showing to Richard Nixon that his advisers...
沉默的大众已经死了 that the silent majority is dead.
我的意思是 不管怎样 我都很紧张 I mean, I'm high-strung anyway,
但是我服用了右旋麻黄碱 不再进食 but me on Dexedrine, without eating
感觉我就像是我必须马上说所有的事情 就像 and feeling like I have to say everything all at once, it's like...
我很惊讶居然有人能接受我所说的 I'm amazed that anybody could receive what I was saying.
这就像是 “哇 这个女人是谁？” It was like, "Wow, who is this woman?"
获胜者是参演《花街杀人案》的简·方达 The winner is Jane Fonda for Klute.
我的思绪不在好莱坞 My head was not in Hollywood.
我不再经营我的职业生涯了 I didn't think very much about my career anymore.
我整个人的精力都不在那 It wasn't where I was at.
我并不是那种会享有特权的人 他们会去捐款 I wasn't some privileged person kind of doling out money
然后美名流传 and then going about my life.
我只是全心全意的、踏实的行动主义者 It was full-time, on-the-ground activism.
我一直在奔波的路上 I was on the road all the time.
我被人们定义为具有多重面貌 I was identified with different movements,
我的生活非常复杂 and my life was very complicated
非常 非常忙碌 神经紧绷 and very, very busy, and intense.
我确实变得让人厌烦 I do have a tendency to kind of go full bore,
绝对是这样 不管是做的好与坏 200 percent, for better or worse.
这感觉就像是对凡妮莎的背叛 It felt like a betrayal to Vanessa.
一天晚上 我把她放在地板上的毛巾上换尿布 One night, I laid her on a towel on the floor to change her diapers,
她深深望向我的眼睛 and she looked very deep into my eyes,
我可以看出她在说 “你在哪里？” and I could tell that she was saying, "Where are you?
“你在哪里？” "Where are you?
“你为什么在我身边呢？” "Why don't you show up?"
这就是我的感受 That's what I felt.
我不得不把目光移开 And I had to look away.
这很可怕 不是吗？ Isn't that awful?
我有点超过负荷了 I was kinda in over my head.
我迫切需要重新塑造我自己 I desperately needed structure,
我迫切需要指导 I desperately needed guidance,
还有 呃 and, uh,
我总是求助于男人 I had always turned to men for that.
我们必须团结一致 我们必将战无不胜 We must be unified, must be invincible,
必须坚强 必须团结 must be strong, must find solidarity,
第三幕
必须争取 必须有计划 must struggle, must have a program,
而且 那些试图强加法西斯主义已经被粉碎 and must be the rock on which this attempt to impose fascism is shattered.
我在市中心的某个剧院 I was downtown at some theater,
这个人出现了 汤姆·黑登 and this guy shows up... Tom Hayden.
我们开始接触 We connected a little bit,
我可以感觉到 and, uh, I could tell
我们之间的关系正在改变 that something was going on between us.
他是一个游行运动的英雄 He was a movement hero.
我被吓坏了 I was extremely intimidated.
我想 “哦 他是这么的古灵精怪 ” I thought, "Oh, there's just something so impish."
他的眼睛里闪烁着光芒 He had a twinkle in his eye.
他把手放在我的膝盖上 He put his hand on my knee,
我感到电流穿过我的四肢百骸 and I felt this electric shock go through my body,
我回到家 我当时有个室友 “鲁比” 我对她说 and I came home, and I said... I had a roommate at the time, Ruby, and I said to her,
“我想我已经遇到了我下一个要嫁的男人了 ” "I think that I've met the man that I'm gonna marry next."
他是新左派的成员 He had been part of the formation of the New Left.
他曾是芝加哥的七人之一 He had been one of the Chicago 7.
他是SDS的联合创始人 He was cofounder of SDS.
当汤姆出现时 我那时已经是一个积极分子了 I was already an activist when Tom came along.
但是他是过来人 他知道 But he had such experience, he knew
如何帮助我在这条路走下去 how to help me go down that path,
更好、更灵活、更深入地走下去 better and smarter and deeper.
我参与和平运动已经有很长一段时间了 I had been in the peace movement for a long time.
但是第一次SDS全国游行 But the first SDS national demonstration,
美国历史上最大的 the largest in American history,
是在1965年 was in 1965.
有25,000人参与其中 在短短几年内就会增长20倍 It was 25,000 people, that would grow by 20-fold in just a few years,
简参与了这一切 and Jane was involved in all of that.
她在帮助我们的 在士兵咖啡屋中发挥了长处 She had a role in helping with the, uh, GI coffee houses
与士兵们分享信息 说出他们的抉择 to share information with the soldiers about their options.
“越南到底在哪里？到底发生了什么事？” "Where exactly is Vietnam? What exactly could happen to me?"
那种事情是实打实的 That sort of thing was very real.
她说她没有想过 She suggested that she hadn't been thinking,
她的建议是让他们深思熟虑 and that her recommendation was to think.
他们确实这样做了 And they did.
它传播到校园 It spread to campuses,
最终 成千上万的年轻人拒绝了战争 where, eventually, many thousands of young men resisted.
我被她的转变所吸引 I was drawn by her transformation
从好莱坞明星到政治明星 from a Hollywood star to a political star.
通常情况下 电影明星也不会参与到任何事情中来 It's not often that a movie star also gets involved in anything
这可能会激怒人们 而我的下一位嘉宾肯定也会是这样 that might irritate people, and my next guest has certainly taken that chance
但她却尽力去做了她想做的事 and done it to the hilt.
她 我像你肯定知道 最近刚从越南北部回来 She, as I'm sure you know, recently returned from a trip to North Vietnam.
请欢迎 简·方达 Will you welcome, please, Jane Fonda.
这一次你真的被曝光在了镜头之下 You really got pasted this time by the press and others
当你回国的时候 你显然会猜到那些铺天盖地的新闻 when you came back, as you obviously know.
你会不会选择不同的做法 Would you have done anything differently
如果你能重新来过？ if you had it to do over again?
那是一种离奇的生活 It's a surreal thing to live through...
那两周我在北越南的所经历的 what I experienced in the two weeks that I was in North Vietnam.
从南朋飞到河内 Flying from Nam Pen to Hanoi,
我望向窗外 我能看见 I look out the window, and I can see
美国飞机轰炸 American planes bombing.
尼克松将地面部队撤回国内 Nixon was bringing ground troops home,
他宣称要结束战争 and he was saying that he was ending the war,
事实上 根本没有结束 when, in fact, it wasn't ending.
反而加剧了对北越的轰炸 It was escalating in terms of bombing of North Vietnam.
嗯 你知道 我们对北境的攻击 发电厂即将投产 还有 我仍然认为我们现在应该把堤坝开闸
-会淹死人吗？ -会淹死大约20万人
我们开始得到公报：事态很严重 We began to get communiqués saying, this is really serious.
看起来美国轰炸机的目标是 It looks like American planes are targeting
在季风季节之前 摧毁北越的堤防 the dikes of North Vietnam right before the monsoon season.
如果堤坝被削弱 一切都会给美国的军队让路 If the dikes are weakened and give way,
一百万人可能溺水而亡或饿死 a million people could drown or die from starvation.
首先 我最感兴趣的是 如何才能到达北越 I'm always interested, first, in the mechanics of how somebody gets to North Vietnam.
很多人会说 “你为什么要去那 A lot of people say, well, you know, "How come you got to go,
你觉得你有权利谈论这场战争吗？” and how do you feel that you have a right to speak about the war?"
没人比我更我不敢有权谈论这场战争了 你知道吗？ And I have no more right than anyone else, you know?
两年前 我甚至不知道越南在哪里 Two years ago, I didn't even know where Vietnam was.
为什么她会想要孤身前往那儿 Why on earth would she conceive of the idea of going alone...
去河内？ to Hanoi?
她难道也会去柏林吗 Would she have gone to Berlin
在德奥合并时期？ during the middle of the Anschluss?
她可能 就像一些人的 她在寻找真正的自我 She was, maybe, as some would say, searching for something in herself,
考验她自己：“我有多勇敢？” testing herself. "How brave am I?
难道我只是屏幕上的一个花瓶吗？” Am I not just a flibbertigibbet on the screen?"
我们可能需要精神病学方面的知识来帮助我们得出答案 We might need psychiatry to help us with the answer to this.
我不确定 I'm not sure.
要么是勇敢 要么是愚蠢 我认为这两者都有 It's either brave or foolish, and I think it partook of both.
你有没有试图让士兵们 Were you trying to get the soldiers
违背他们的命令吗？ to disobey their orders?
不 我 No, I-I...
我知道不能要求士兵违抗命令 I knew that you cannot ask a soldier to disobey orders.
你并不是那个付出代价的当事人 You're not the one that pays the consequences.
你看 你说过 以下是直接引用 Well, you said, this is direct quotes,
“我请求你考虑一下你在做什么 ” "I beg you to consider what you are doing.
医院里到处都是婴儿、妇女和老人 "The hospitals are filled with babies and women and old people.
你能证明你做的事情是正确的吗？” Can you justify what you are doing?"
这不就听起来像是你在要求他们停止他们正在做的事情？ Doesn't that sound like you're asking them to stop what they're doing?
我是请求他们认真考虑一下 I'm asking them to consider it.
然后 在你的行程中 你被拍到 And then, in your trip, you were photographed
在北越人的航空炮后面 behind an aerial gun of the, uh, North Vietnamese,
如果不是越共的话 我也不确定 你似乎看起来有点失态 if not the Vietcong, I'm not sure. That seemed a bit tactless.
你在敌人的枪后面做什么？ What were you doing behind an enemy gun?
我当时并没有想太多 呃 那样做会造成什么样的看法 I didn't think, at the time, about how it would be, uh, received.
我能理解为什么人们会对此感到困惑 And I can understand why people were very confused by that.
士兵们在那里接待了我 并给我唱了一首歌 The soldiers received me there and sang me a song.
这让我很感动因为他们表达了 It was very moving to me because they were expressing the same sentiments
与美国大兵所倾诉的相同的态度 that American GIs expressed to me.
我为他们的歌鼓掌 And I was applauding their song
这就是美国电视上播出的画面 and this was what was shown on American television.
是的 是的 Yeah, yeah.
好吧 我想知道你是怎么做到的 Well, I wondered how you got there.
我太天真了 我犯了错误 但是 I'm... I'm naive and I make mistakes, but...
我坐在那里是我的错 it was my fault that I sat there.
简方达的形象是 The image of Jane Fonda,
芭芭丽娜 Barbarella,
亨利方达的女儿 Henry Fonda's daughter
坐在敌人的航空炮上是一种背叛 sitting on an enemy aircraft gun was a betrayal.
就像我辱没了军队 It was like I was thumbing my nose at the military
在这个国家（越南） and at... at the country
赋予了我特权 that gave me privilege.
我已经说过很多次了 我会后悔终生 As I've said many times, I will go to my grave regretting that.
我不在那里 我可能有机会阻止它 I wasn't there. I might have stopped it.
我本来不会赞成她那样做的 但你阻止不了媒体 I would not have advised it, but you can't stop the media.
所以当拍下这张照片 它就会病毒性的扩散 And so you took this picture and of course it went viral.
我认为这是一个名人的焦点问题 I thought it was a problem of the celebrity spotlight,
当你被媒体所利用 被媒体轰炸的时候 when you're used by the media, and blown up by the media,
你就会在媒体上犯错误 you will make a mistake in the media.
美国司法部表示 他们正试图确定 The Justice Department said it is attempting to determine
方达是否违反了规定 whether Ms. Fonda had violated
煽动叛乱、叛国或其他法律 sedition, treason or other statutes.
不相信电影演员是有原因的 Distrust movie actors with causes.
他们完全生活在名人氛围中 They live in so rarefied an atmosphere of celebrity
在现实生活中 他们对是非对错没有概念 that they have no conception of the ambiguity of right and wrong in real life.
他们需要一个高光的替罪羊 They needed a very visible person
她代表了和平运动 who represented the peace movement
施加一些可怕的事情在她身上 to do something really terrible,
就是我 and that was me.
我们正在传阅的请愿书要求司法部 The petition we're circulating asks the Justice Department
在法律允许范围内起诉简方达 to prosecute Jane Fonda to the fullest extent of the law
为敌人提供帮助和安慰 for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
简方达是个无耻的骗子 Jane Fonda's an outrageous liar.
她是个伪君子 是个骗子 She's a hypocrite and a liar.
她是美国最卑鄙的女人 She's the most despicable woman in the United States.
电影里也有其他演员 我们不会去问 There are other people in films, too, that we don't ask
那些人的建议 比如米老鼠或灵犬莱西 for advice, such as Mickey Mouse or Lassie.
我认为她不应那样做 I don't think she should've done the things that she's done
还谈论我们的国家 还回国居住 and said about our country and come back and lived in the country.
我才不管她不是个是温柔的年轻女性 I don't care if she's a tender, young female,
或者一个著名的电影明星什么的 这就是叛国 a famous movie star, that is treason.
我们正在积极调查中 It's under active investigation.
他们还没有决定是否 They have not yet made a decision as to whether
起诉或不起诉 to prosecute or not prosecute.
当然 他们什么证据也没找到 And of course, they found nothing,
因此 叛国的指控被撤销了 so the charges of treason have been dropped.
他们不理解我 我回到这里是因为我爱美国 And they don't understand that I... I came back here because I love America.
我们国家建立的民主思想 The democratic ideals upon which our country is founded
已经.....被遗忘在角落 is... are being betrayed.
-我们有义务抵抗这种思想 -对不起 简 - We have an obligation to resist this. - I'm sorry, Jane.
你说的内容和你的整体风格完全不搭 这让我感到不安 I'm disturbed by your difference between your content and your style.
我一直很喜欢简 我一直很欣赏她 I've always liked Jane, and I always admired
她的勇气 但我为她担心 her guts, but I worried about her.
她用了最温和的话 但她被憎恨着 She was, to use the mildest possible word, hated.
我的意思是 你让立法机构的人争论 I mean, you had people in legislatures arguing
是应该把她的舌头割下来 还是应该被绞死 等等 that she should have her tongue cut out and that she should be hung and so on.
我认为 部分原因是她的言论强力有效 I think, also, part of it was that she was very effective.
所以 她必须很赶快定型 并且摆脱掉原来人们的印象 So, she had to be quickly stereotyped and... and gotten rid of.
在尼克松时代 这是麦卡锡主义的循环 It was McCarthyism recycled under Nixon,
他们只是不断地诽谤她的名声 and they just tried to smear her reputation over and over.
如果他们可以的话 他们会杀了她的 They would have killed her if they could.
当然 尼克松还是主张轰炸这些堤防 Nixon, of course, had already advocated bombing the dikes.
他没有这样做的原因之一 One reason he did not
是简·方达是勇敢地站在那堤防上 is that Jane Fonda was brave enough to stand on those dikes
并谴责将要发生在 and denounce what would happen
那些成千上万的农民身上的悲剧 如果提防被炸毁 to hundred of thousands of peasants if the dikes were bombed.
她甘愿为此受到攻击 She was willing to be attacked over that.
我认为简方达是 I consider Jane Fonda one of the...
我们这个时代最勇敢的女人之一 也许是最勇敢的 the most courageous women of our time, probably the most courageous...
她从一种温室里的生活中转变了 --...she made a conversion from a life that was so sterile
并且从容的生活在一个充满了 and easy to live into a life that's filled
骚扰和嘲笑的生活中 这真的需要勇气 with harassment and ridicule and requires real courage.
我为我所做的大部分感到骄傲 I'm proud of most of what I did,
对于我所做的一些事情 我也感到非常抱歉 and I'm very sorry for some of what I did.
在河内 我遇到了很多战俘 我们谈论 In Hanoi, I had met a number of POWs, and we talked,
主要是关于世界职业棒球大赛和他们的一些经历 about the World Series, primarily, and about some of their experiences.
但是当战俘们回家的时候 But when the POWs came home,
一些被精心挑的选战俘到全国各地旅行 certain POWs were handpicked to travel around the country
说起酷刑 talking about torture.
如果方达仔细想想 If Ms. Fonda thinks for a minute
她看到的任何一个人都能自由地讲话 that any of the people that she saw were able to speak freely,
她就会吃不了兜着走 she's got another thing coming.
我认为“强迫”是一个非常温和的词 I think coerced is a very mild word.
我一开始就用“折磨”这个词 I'd use the word tortured, initially.
我认为他们在撒谎 我认为他们的余生不仅要带着 I think they're lying, and I think they're not only going to have to live
鲜血淋漓的记忆活下去 with the fact that they were carrying out acts of murder
在他们的余生中 他们也将不得不忍受 for the rest of their lives, they're also going to have to live with the fact
对自己的本心撒谎的折磨中 that they're lying on their consciousness...
对战俘的折磨已经结束 Torture of POWs had ended
1969年在越南北部 in North Vietnam in 1969.
在我去那儿的三年前 Three years before I went there.
法庭判你有罪 This court finds you guilty
对国家的叛国罪 of the crime of high treason against the United States.
简在她被攻击的时候也得到了最好的东西 Jane gave as good as she got when she was... attacked.
但是简总让事情变得更糟 But Jane had a way of making things worse for herself.
在战争的历史上从未有过 Never before in the history of warfare
战俘们回来时健康的看起来像足球运动员 have prisoners of war come back looking like football players.
在战争的历史上 从来没有过 Never in the history of war have men come back and been able
下来飞机 潇洒地敬礼 拥抱他们的妻子这样的战俘 to come off planes, saluting smartly and hug their wives.
我们应该疑惑 And we should try to help each other understand
为什么这些人会被利用 why these men are being used this way.
不是我们或者那些酷刑让他们变成了英雄 Not do ourselves and them the disservice of making them into heroes.
为什么不让那些没有腿的、无臂的退伍军人回来享受社会福利呢？ Why not the legless and armless vets who have come back to welfare?
为什么不是那些死在那里的人们 Why not all those men who died over there on the ground...
为什么他们不是英雄？ Why aren't they heroes?
你是一个没有胆量的小叛徒 You're a gutless little traitor!
我很生气尼克松 I was so angry that Nixon
把战俘解放出来 把他们带回家 used freeing the POWS and bringing them home
作为为自己辩护的幌子 as a justification
为了继续战争和对北越的轰炸 for continuing the war and carpet-bombing North Vietnam.
我不知道战俘该是什么样子 I have no idea what it must be like to be a POW.
我知道他们是被政府利用的 I do know that they were used by the government.
这是一个非常动荡和两极分化的时代 It was a very... tumultuous and polarized time.
有太多愤怒和指责 There was a lot of anger and blame,
对于我自己 我真的 我不知道 and for myself, I really, I didn't know
该用什么有效的方式来排解我的愤怒 always how to channel my anger in constructive ways.
我杀了很多人 我也做了很多噩梦 I killed a lot of people, and I live with a lot of nightmares!
梦见后来我在这个国家的战争中被枪杀了 And then I got shot in this country's war.
我听了罗恩科维奇的演讲 I heard Ron Kovic speak
在一个非常大的集会上 有几千人 at a very big rally of a couple thousand people.
他在越战中瘫痪了 He was paralyzed during the Vietnam War,
他成为了退伍军人运动中的积极分子 and he became an activist with the GI Movement.
他说 “我已经失去了我完整的身体 但是我获得了我真正的想法 ” He said, "I've lost my body, yeah, but I've gained my mind."
我想 我可以制作一部关于这个的电影 And I thought, I could build a movie around that.
【回家】1978年
你真是一团糟 You're a mess.
你在南朋受的伤吗？ Were you wounded in 'Nam?
对 Right.
什么时候发生的？ When did it happen?
很久以前 A long time ago.
我丈夫刚到那边 My husband just went over there.
可怜的家伙 Poor bastard.
电影公司不想接关于战争的电影 The studios didn't want to make a film about the war.
我们花了六年的时间才最终把它弄出来 It took six years until we finally could get it made.
我和来自越南的退役老兵一起工作了好几年 I had been working with returned veterans from Vietnam for several years.
这是一个关于回家的故事 It was a story about coming home
在经历了他们所经历的一切之后 after being through what they had been through.
如果我们结束了 那么一切都结束了 If it's over with us, it's over!
好吧 你在说什么？你连争取都不愿意去争取吗？ Well, what are you saying? That you're not even gonna make the effort?
我想说的是 What I'm saying is...
-我不属于这房子 -请 -I don't belong in this house! -Please...
他们说我也不属于那里 And they're saying that I don't belong over there!
你知道 你想成为爱国分子的一部分 You know, you wanna be a part of it and patriotic,
然后出去 and go out and...
试图为自己的爱国行为做出证明 然后 get your licks in at the US of A, and...
当你到达那里的时候 and... when you get over there,
这是完全不同的情况 it's a totally different situation.
我的意思是 I mean...
你会一夜之间成长起来 ...you grow up real quick,
因为你所看到的是 嗯 because all you're seeing is, um,
很多人死于非命 a lot of death.
有士兵回来后感觉 There were soldiers who came back feeling
他们当初就不应该离开 that they should never have gone.
也有男人 There were also men,
即使他们身体受到了伤害 even though they were physically damaged,
回来的之后仍然是坚定的信徒 who came back still staunch believers.
我觉得 I feel...
我像同情他们 just as compassionate for them as I do
一样同情其他士兵 for the other soldiers.
对那些在越南的人 那些 To men who were, in Vietnam, who...
我伤害过得 who I hurt
或者是因为我的原因给他们加剧了痛苦 or whose pain I caused to...
因为我说过或我做过的事情 to deepen because of things that I said or I did, uh...
我觉得我应该向他们道歉 I-I feel that I owe them an apology.
我的本意是绝不会伤害他们或使他们的处境更糟 My intentions were never to hurt them or make their situation worse.
但是 恰恰相反 It was... It was the contrary.
我试图帮助结束这场杀戮 结束战争 I was trying to help end the killing, end the war.
但有时我也会粗心大意 But there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it,
我 很抱歉我伤害了他们 and I'm... and I am... very sorry that I hurt them,
我想向他们和他们的家人道歉 and I want to apologize to them and to their families.
在回家的路上 During the time that it took to make Coming Home,
我在拍其他电影 I was making other movies.
但很多时候 我和汤姆在路上 But a lot of that time, I was on the road with Tom.
汤姆说：“我们必须到基层去 Tom said, "We have to go to the grassroots.
“我们必须与沉默的大多数人对话 "We have to speak to the silent majority.
“我们来一个60个城市的旅行 "Let's do a 60-city tour,
历时三个多月 横跨美国 ” over three months, across the United States."
几周内 我们掀起了印度支那和平运动 And within weeks, we created the Indochina Peace Campaign.
我们会睡在别人的房子里 你知道 那种水床 We would sleep in people's houses, you know, waterbeds.
有时候 我们睡在一张双人床上 Sometimes, we were both sq... in a twin bed.
在一个去布法罗房车里 And it was in a motor home, driving toward Buffalo,
当我怀上特洛伊的时候 when I became impregnated with Troy.
我记得我们打电话给汤姆的母亲 琼 她住在底特律 I remember we called Tom's mother, Jean, who lived in Detroit,
她说 “你知道 你们必须要结婚 ” and she said, "You know, you're gonna have to get married."
我们认为那是资产阶级作风 We thought that was bourgeois.
她说 “你知道 当你去看约翰尼卡森的节目时你会怎么做？ And she said, "You know, what are you gonna do when you go on The Johnny Carson Show
你想谈论越南 而他们想谈论 "and you wanna talk about Vietnam, and they wanna talk about
“你怎么能未婚先孕？”这说得通 "how come you're having a kid and you're not married," and that made sense.
我那时候真的很想结婚 说实话 I really wanted to get married, to tell you the truth.
我们这边有一个同性恋主教 We got a gay Episcopal priest,
我认为他真的是超凡脱俗因为他为我们主持婚礼 who I think was thrown out of the order for having married us,
而且 呃 生活还在继续 and, uh, life went on.
和特洛伊 我们不希望他 With Troy, we didn't want him to have
随他父亲的姓或是姓方达 his father's name just automatically, or Fonda.
你知道 我们想让他有一个没有那么多包袱的名字 You know, we wanted him to have a name that didn't have so much baggage.
所以我们给他起名叫特洛伊·奥·多诺万加提 So we named him Troy O'Donovan Garity.
我的父母做出了一个深思熟虑的决定 My parents made a conscious decision to...
让我们的生活尽可能地平常 try to live as... normally as possible.
我知道这听起来很疯狂 因为他们本来就是是不平常的 I know that that sounds insane because they are abnormal.
啊 获奖者是简·方达出演的《回家之时》 --Ah! The winner is Jane Fonda in Coming Home !
我们开着旅行车去参加了奥斯卡颁奖典礼 We went to the Oscars in a station wagon.
我父亲穿着世界上最丑的衣服 My father wore like a... the ugliest suit in the world.
我穿着一件t恤 套着一件手工做的燕尾服 I wore a T-shirt with a hand-screened tuxedo thing on it.
这不是一个平常的家庭的样子 It wasn't a normal family unit.
你懂得 我们不是在热带天堂度假 Like we weren't, you know, vacationing in tropical paradises.
我们是在冲突地区度假 You know, we holidayed in conflict zones.
我是 I was potty-trained
在越南的一个防空洞里接受了幼儿坐便训练 in a Vietnam bomb shelter.
我只是被迫跟他们走 I just got dragged with them.
在爱尔兰共和军那 就是 在贝尔法斯特的据点 Being in an IRA, you know, stronghold in Belfast,
一个男孩的拇指被砍掉了 and a boy comes in with his thumb blown off,
我父亲蘸了一下他的血 说：“这是你的血 ” and my father dips the rag in his blood and's like, "This is your blood.
这是你的血 这是你的人民 ” This is your fucking blood. This is your people."
我那时五岁 I'm five.
我的前13个生日聚会都被办成筹款活动 My first 13 birthday parties were fundraisers.
任何代表着 像是财富或者企业什么的 Anything that represented, like, wealth or establishment
都会用怀疑的目光审视 was looked on with a lot of skepticism.
“如果我的同事不能有游泳池 "If my coworker can't have a pool,
“那我就不会有他妈的游泳池 ” "then I'm not having a fucking pool.
我宁愿把这笔钱交给联合农场工人基金 ” I'd rather take that money give it to the United Farm Workers Fund."
你知道 我居住的这个房子 还住着另一个大家庭 You know, the house I was raised in, there was another family living...
和我们一起 in the house with us.
有时候 我们让组织者睡在门廊 Uh, at times, we had organizers sleeping on the porch.
一次有一个无家可归的人睡在房子的地板上 There was a homeless person that slept under the house.
我有时会回家 他穿着 I would come home sometimes and he would be dressed in...
我父母的衣服 in my parents' clothes. Yeah.
他们的房子一个接着一个 They were one house right next to the other.
这边是夜行人 另一边是马克思主义作家 Nightwatchman on one side and a Marxist writer on the other.
我们住的这所房子 我爸爸叫它棚屋 And we lived in this house that was... my dad called it a shack.
我们有救世军给的的家具 We had furniture from Salvation Army.
我们没有洗碗机 也没有洗衣机 We had no dishwasher, we had no washing machine.
那时 It was...
我很高兴 我为自己感到骄傲 I was very happy, and I was very proud of myself.
我想让汤姆知道我能做到 I wanted to show Tom that I could do it.
我不想让他认为我娇生惯养 I didn't want him to think that I was... spoiled.
我们深爱着对方 We were intensely in love,
追求共同的生活目标 pursuing common life goals.
这个社区到处都是积极分子 The neighborhood was swollen with activists, of all kinds.
这是一个非常小的 小版本的公社 It was a really, tiny, little version of... of a commune.
我一直被邀请去 I would be invited all the time to come
吃晚餐但其实没有晚餐 for dinner and there was no dinner.
我想说 “我不明白 晚餐怎么了？” And I was like, "I don't understand, what happened to dinner?"
只有浓缩咖啡 不是简做的 It was espresso. Jane's not a cook.
我们坐进我们的小大众甲壳虫 We would get in our little Volkswagen Bug,
去当地的披萨店 and go to the local pizzeria and...
太棒了 it was wonderful.
但是当你与 But when you combine
名人热度扯上关系 the fever of celebrity
伴随着 with the furor of...
反战热 额 那些活动 anti-war, um, activities,
嗯 我们家周围一些人势头正劲 um, there was a lot of heat around our home.
我永远不会忘记我们回家的那一天 I will never forget the day that we came home,
房子里一个完好的抽屉都没有 there wasn't a drawer in the house
并不只是翻翻东西 掀翻家具这样 that wasn't pulled out and turned over.
所有壁橱里的东西都被撕毁了 Everything was torn out of the closets.
文件被带走 桌子被打开 Papers were rifled, desks were open.
我的意思是 有人闯入了我们的房子 I mean, someone had gone through our house.
明目张胆的 弄得一团糟 And it was done so blatantly, and mess...
我的意思是 我知道这是为了吓唬我们 I mean, I knew that it was... to scare us.
我意识到我被跟踪了 I was aware that I was being followed,
而且他们几乎不去掩饰 and there was very little attempt to disguise it.
会有这些家伙戴着深色眼镜穿着风衣 There would be these guys in trench coats with dark glasses.
联邦调查局的人会跟踪凡妮莎到学校 The FBI would follow Vanessa to school.
我越看他们的行为 我的态度就愈发坚定 The more I saw them the more my attitude was,
“你以为我会回头吗？” "You think I'm gonna back down?"
我的意思是 这只是其中一件事 I mean, that's one thing, you know,
每次人们认为他们会吓到我 every time people think they're gonna scare me,
这是一种错误的做法 then that's the wrong way to approach it.
因为 我不会屈服 Because, no.
我和汤姆目睹了这一切 这些运动意味着什么 I saw, with Tom, what it meant to build a movement,
组织又意味着什么 what organizing meant.
他意识到需要关注的是 He realized that what needed to be focused on
将权力从超级富豪和大公司手中转移 was moving power out of the hands of the super rich and the corporations,
到人民的手中 民主应该是这样的 into the hands of people, the way it should be in a democracy.
因此 经济民主运动才会发展 So, the Campaign for Economic Democracy evolved.
我们知道我们想在全国传播信息 We knew that we wanted to spread a message throughout the country.
这很困难 因为我们要筹集这么多的钱 It was difficult because we had to raise so much money,
这是在经济衰退时期 and it was during a recession.
所以汤姆和我讨论了这个问题我们想 "好吧 我们开始创业吧 So Tom and I talked about this and we thought, "Well, let's start a business
这将为这项工作提供资金 ” that will fund the work."
我们谈到了“也许开一家餐馆？” We talked about... "Maybe a restaurant."
那将是一场灾难 That would have been a disaster.
然后我们想 “也许洗车不会赔很多 ” Then we thought, "Maybe a car wash that doesn't rip people off."
好吧 你知道 我是说 我们毫无头绪 Well, that... You know, I mean, we had no idea.
然后有一天 我突然想 And then one day, I suddenly thought...
“健身 "The Workout.
如果有一件事我在行的 那就是健身 ” If there's one thing I understand, it's working out."
一架照相机 One camera.
没有提词器或类似的东西 There were no teleprompters or anything like that.
我把剧本写在酒店房间的地板上 I wrote the script sitting on a floor of a hotel room.
我们自己做了头发和化妆 We did our own hair and makeup.
我的意思是 当时只是不可想象的 I mean, it was a spit and a prayer.
剩下的就是历史了 And the rest is history.
那个视频一播出 几乎是在一夜之间 That video came out, and almost overnight
成为了历史上播放最多的家庭录像 became and remains the number one home video of all-time.
你准备好做锻炼了吗？ Are you ready to do the workout?
这个视频的所有者是经济民主运动 And it was owned by the Campaign for Economic Democracy.
组织拥有它 而不是我 The organization owned it, not me,
所有的利润都流向了组织 and all the profits went into the organization.
对 二 然后 二 Right, two. And back, two.
它售出了1700万册 It sold 17 million copies.
一个视频行业发展起来 因为每个人都想要 A video industry developed, because everyone wanted
买我的视频 一遍又一遍地看 to buy my video and use it over and over and over.
我是第一个非工程师 I'm the first non-engineer
进入名人堂的名人 to be inducted into the Video Hall of Fame.
你知道 他们称赞我建立了视频产业 You know, they credited me for building the video industry.
对我来说 这是一个非常有趣的时刻 It was a pretty interesting time for me
因为人们以一种完全不同的方式重新认识我 because people recognized me in a whole different way.
女人会走过来对我说 你知道 “我不再需要安眠药了 ” Women would come up to me and say, you know, "I don't need sleeping pills anymore."
另一个人会说她不同的感受 她觉得自己更强壮了 Another one would talk about how she felt different, she felt stronger.
有趣的是 当我想到这一点的时候 我知道我做了正确的事 It's funny, when I thought about it, that was true for me.
你知道 我长期以来一直饱受饮食失调之苦 You know, I had suffered from an eating disorder for a long time.
没有人知道 关于暴食症 Nobody knew. You know, one of the things about bulimia
这是一种不被接受的疾病 is that it's a... it's a disease of denial.
你知道 它可以找很多的借口 You know, it takes a lot of subterfuge.
你很累 你很生气 You're very tired, and you're very angry,
你自我厌恶 and you're very self-hating.
我意识到 And I realized,
我要去一个非常黑暗的地方 I'm heading into a really dark place,
我必须要去光明的地方 and I'm... I either am gonna head to the light
否则我就会屈从于黑暗 or I'm gonna succumb to the dark,
这是生死之事 and it's a life or death thing.
我戒毒了 I went cold turkey.
真的 真的很难 It was really, really hard.
在某种程度上 控制住我的身体 There was something about taking control of my body, in that way,
这让我克服了毒瘾 that got me over the addiction.
它改变了我对自己的看法 It changed my perception of myself.
我想是托马斯杰斐逊说的 I think it was Thomas Jefferson who said,
“革命始于肌肉 ” "Revolution begins in the muscles."
这对我来说是一场革命 And it was a revolution for me,
但这完全是无意的 but it was completely unintentional,
你知道 我本来是为这个组织筹集资金的 you know, I did the workout to fund the organization.
这是为了汤姆 It was for Tom.
他们组成了一个政治团队 They formed a team around politics,
为了孩子们服务 and around the children.
但是她没有那么多的自信 But she didn't have as much confidence
我认为她在那些日子里....... as I think she should've in those days,
汤姆是如此的引人注目 以至于他是一个很难与之争论的人 And Tom is so compelling that he's a hard force to argue with.
你知道 他被认为是知识分子 You know, here is a man who was considered an intellectual,
他被认为是运动中的明星 he was considered a star in the movement,
他写了 我不记得他写了多少书 and he'd written... I don't remember how many books he'd written.
然后我写了简方达的锻炼手册 And then I write Jane Fonda's Workout Book,
它在纽约时报上连续两年成为销量第一名 and it becomes the number one on the New York Times for two years.
整整两年 Two solid years.
锻炼手册？ The Workout Book ?
我的意思是 如果我是他 我会有一定程度的嫉妒 I mean, if I was him, I would have had a certain degree of resentment.
他认为我是肤浅的 He thought I was superficial.
我不够聪明 That I wasn't smart enough.
但是我自己制作的电影 But I was producing my own movies,
那种能反映一些道理的电影 the kind of movies that say the things that I think need saying.
你好 我是金佰利·威尔斯 Hello, this is Kimberly Wells,
我在文塔纳核电站 and I'm here at the Ventana Nuclear Power Plant,
由加州燃气公司拥有并经营 owned and operated by California Gas & Electric.
《中国综合症》就是这样的故事 China Syndrome was the story
在一个核电站的掩盖下 of a cover-up at a nuclear power plant.
这是杰克·戈德尔 我们的情况很严重 This is Jack Godell. We have a serious condition.
你让每个人都进入安全区域 确保他们呆在那里 You get everybody into safety areas and make sure that they stay there.
隔离辐射 Radiation in containment!
我们受到了很大的打击 We were very much attacked for,
为了制作它 这部电影 for making it, the movie.
但后来 电影上映了 两周后 三里岛事件发生了 But then, the movie came out and two weeks later, Three Mile Island happened.
所有孕妇和学龄前儿童 All pregnant women and preschool children
应该从5英里半径内撤离 should evacuate out of a five-mile radius...
《中国综合症》给了简方达一个新的地位 The China Syndrome has given Jane Fonda a new standing
在美国社会中 in American society.
她现在是自己的女英雄 She's now a heroine in her own right.
她是核浩劫的“凶事预言家” She's the Cassandra of the Nuclear Holocaust.
令人震惊的是这个地区的人们 It's shocking that people from this area
不得不去看《中国综合症》 had to go to see The China Syndrome
为了了解他们当时的遭遇 in order to try to understand what was happening to them.
简总是有一种冲动 想要去探究事物的核心 Jane has always had an impulse to go right for the heart of things.
我们的做法和事情的发展导向是一致的 We were aligned in the same way that things were not right.
问题是我们要怎么做 The question was how we were gonna go about it,
我觉得 如果我说出来 and I felt, if I spoke out,
会遭到很多怨恨 that there would be a lot of resentment.
这并不意味着你不能那样做 这就是简所做的选择 That didn't mean you couldn't do it that way, and that's the choice that Jane made.
她有很大的力量和心劲去完成一件事 And it had a lot of strength and a lot of power to it.
她树敌不少 但这是会发生的 She made a lot of enemies, but that's gonna happen
当你站在国家舞台上讲话时 when you step up and speak on the national stage.
我欣赏她的是她做了 她没有回头 What I admire about her is that she did it and she didn't look back,
她没有改变她的语气和声音 she didn't change her tone or her voice.
她说 “这就是我所相信的 She said, "This is what I believe,
“这就是我的感受 这就是我要说的 ” "this is what I feel, and this is what I'm gonna say."
【朝九晚五】1980年
四千万名女性在办公室工作 Forty million women work in offices,
历史上第一次 他们开始组织起来 and for the first time in history, they're beginning to organize,
他们开始说 “我们值得尊重 我们应该得到同工同酬 ” they're beginning to say, "We deserve respect, we deserve equal pay for equal work."
简总是在寻找 Jane is always looking for
当前最重要的问题是什么 what's the most important current issue to deal with,
《朝九晚五》是她的发明 and 9 to 5 was her invention.
她决定拍一部关于朝九晚五的女人的电影 She decided to do a movie about the 9-to-5 women.
好吧 看 难道我们就不能聚在一起 抱怨吗？ Well, look, couldn't we just all get together and... and complain?
向谁抱怨？ Complain to who?
让我们面对现实吧 我们在一个粉红色的贫民窟里 Let's face it, we are in a pink-collared ghetto.
再喝一杯吧 Let's have another drink.
我们都知道我们在做一些重要的事情 We all knew we were doing something that was important
为了女性办公室职员 for women office workers,
因为我们顾及了所有的问题： because we dealt with all the issues:
性骚扰 不平等待遇 sexual harassment, unequal pay...
弹性工作时间的重要性 ...the importance of flex hours,
照顾孩子的重要性 所有这些 the importance of childcare, all these things.
我妈妈在用胶卷 My mom was using film
试图作为一个影响变革的平台 as a platform to try to affect change.
我的父母真的在做这件事 My parents were really doing it.
他们是在实打实的工作的 They were boots-on-the-ground,
他们有专门的任务 “我们要前进 ” dedicated mission, "We're going forward."
他们一门心思在那里 That's where their heads were at.
当然 我的父母各司其职 My parents walked the walk, for sure.
他们在圣塔芭芭拉山顶买了几百英亩的地 They bought these hundred acres on top of this mountain in Santa Barbara
并开了一个夏令营 and started a summer camp.
我的意思是 这是人生的一次散步 I mean, it was every walk of life.
农场工人的孩子 工作室的孩子们的孩子们 Children of farm workers, the children of the heads of studios,
黑豹党的孩子们 the children of Black Panthers.
劳雷尔斯普林斯是一个幻想 Laurel Springs was really a fantasy
他们一起创造了一个现实 that they, together, made a reality.
如果你是一个真正的运动者 If you're a true movement person,
你知道让它传递下去 you understand about passing it along,
给田地浇水 让种子发芽 and watering the fields, and making the seeds grow.
我们都在山顶上 We were all on this mountaintop together
我们一起生活 and we were forced to coexist.
在劳雷尔斯普林斯 我遇到了露露 And it was at Laurel Springs that I met Lulu.
露露 刚来夏令营的时候 大概是12岁 Lulu, when she first came to camp, she was maybe 12.
她是咯咯笑 爽朗 And she was... giggly, and bright, and...
有趣的是 有了这美妙的笑声 每个人都很喜欢她 funny, with this wonderful laugh and everyone just adored her.
她来了两个夏天 然后就消失了 She came two summers, and then she disappeared.
当她回来的时候 她是与以前大不相同 And when she came back, she was a different person.
她曾被一名表演教练多次性侵 She had been sexually abused repeatedly by an acting coach.
她自闭了 She was shut down.
她的生活节奏失调 豪无组织 Her life was dysfunctional, disorganized.
她的父母是黑豹党 她的父亲在监狱里 Her parents had been Black Panthers. Her father was in jail.
她在学校里成绩一塌糊涂 She was failing in school.
就像火焰变得非常小 但它仍然在那里 你可以看到 It was like the flame had gotten real tiny, but it was still there, you could see.
我说 “我来告诉你 露露 And I said, "I'll tell you what, Lulu,
“如果你把你的成绩提高到B "if you bring your grades up to a B,
“我带你去洛杉矶 去我们住的圣塔莫尼卡 "I'll bring you to Los Angeles, to Santa Monica, where we live,
“你可以和我们一起住在那里上学 "and... you can live with us and go to school down there,
如果你的母亲允许的话 ” if your mother lets that happen."
她做到了 And that's what happened.
她甚至没有说 “我想收养你 或者我想让你成为我的孩子 ” She didn't even say, "I want to adopt you or I want you to be
我的女儿 “它只是它只是顺理成章变成这样 my daughter." It was just... it just kinda evolved into that,
因为这真的只是"我想帮助这个孩子" 'cause it really just was "I want to help this child."
所以当我来的时候 我刚开始住在他们的房子里 然后就变成了 你知道 So when I came, I just started living in their house, and then it became, you know,
我变成了家里的另一个孩子 I was just another kid in the house.
这一切都要追溯到我母亲的童年时代 It all goes back to my mother's childhood.
我想她的光芒几乎熄灭了 I think her light was almost put out...
当她还是个孩子的时候 when she was a child.
所以 我认为她喜欢找到那些有可能失去他们光芒的人 并且 So, I think she likes to find people who are in danger of losing theirs, and re... and...
重新点燃它 and rekindle it.
不 我妈妈不是孤儿 但几乎算是 No, my mom was... not orphaned, but pretty damn close.
【金色池塘】1981年
我一直想和我爸爸一起拍电影 I had always wanted to do a movie with my dad,
这出戏似乎是一件完美的事情 and this play seemed like a perfect thing.
她为他们买下了《黄金池塘》 She bought On Golden Pond for them,
她为他父亲制做了这部电影 she produced it, she made it for him,
与他有更深层次的共同经历 在这之前他们从没这样过 to... have a deeper shared experience with him, before they couldn't anymore.
这是关于一个强硬的父亲的和解 It was about the reconciliation of a hard dad,
还有一个情绪化的女儿 and a emotional daughter.
这不仅仅是一个剧本 而是一个爱与和解的机会 It was more than a script, it was an opportunity for love and reconciliation.
你好 诺曼 Hello, Norman.
-哦 看看你 -生日快乐 -Oh, look at you. -Happy birthday.
看看这个胖女孩 埃塞尔 Look at this little fat girl, Ethel.
哦 诺曼 Oh, Norman!
-你瘦得跟铁路一样 不是吗？-当然 -You're as thin as a rail. Isn't she? -Sure...
凯瑟琳赫本和我父亲扮演我的父母 Katherine Hepburn and my father played my parents,
我被吓坏了 and I was extremely intimidated.
这些人物之间的相似之处非常非常接近 The parallels were very, very close between the characters, and... and...
我的父亲和我在现实生活中的样子 my father and I in real life.
但我们从来没有说过 But we never spoke of it.
我们从来没有说过这样的话 We never spoke about anything like that, ever.
有很多无形的东西在治愈我们 There was a great deal of invisible healing going on.
对简而言 这是一种终极的宣泄 For Jane, it was the ultimate catharsis.
在电影中 切尔西和她父亲的主要场景 In the movie, the main scene between Chelsea and her father
这个场景 每当我读它的时候 在每一次彩排中 was a scene that, whenever I would read it and during every single rehearsal,
我都会变得非常 非常 非常情绪化 I would become very, very, very emotional,
因为这个场景离我们家很近 because it was so very close to home.
我想和你谈谈 我 I wanna talk to you. I, um...
我想 I think that, um,
也许你和我应该有一种我们应该拥有的关系 maybe you and I should have the kind of relationship that we're supposed to have.
这是一种什么样的关系？ What kind of a relationship is that?
好吧你应该知道 就像一个父亲和一个女儿 Well, you know, like a... like a father and a daughter.
呃 只是来的正是时候 是吧？ Eh, just in the nick of time, huh?
担心遗嘱 是吗？ Worried about the will, are you?
放心 我会把一切都留给你 Well, I'm leaving everything to you,
除了我要带走的东西 except what I'm taking with me.
别再这样了 Just stop it.
我什么都不想要 I don't want anything.
只是好像你和我生彼此的气太久了 It just... it seems that you and me have been mad at each other for so long.
我不知道我们是不是在生气 我只知道我们只是不喜欢对方 I didn't know we were mad. I thought we just didn't like each other
我父亲不喜欢 Knowing that my father doesn't like
任何没有排练过的东西 to have anything that's not rehearsed,
所有的东西都要经过n次的练习 everything has to be rehearsed down to the nth degree,
我决定保留一件事不告诉他当他最后的特写镜头时 I decide to save one thing that I'm gonna do when I think it's his last close-up,
因为我想要他 because I want him...
去做一些即兴发挥 我不知道他会如何反应 to do something unplanned. I don't know what it... how he would react,
但这将是情绪化的 but it will be emotional.
我 我想成为你的朋友 I... I wanna be your friend.
我伸出手 摸了摸他的胳膊 I reached out and I touched his arm.
这是否意味着你会更频繁地出现在我面前？ Does this mean you'll... come around more often?
这对你母亲来说意义重大 It'd mean a lot to your mother.
他把手举起来 And he put his hand up,
但我看到 but I saw...
他眼中的泪水 the tears in his eyes...
而且 你知道 这对我来说意味着整个世界 and, you know, it just... it meant the world to me.
他爱她 他不能用这三个字来表达 He loved her. That he couldn't express it in three words
是一种悲剧 is a kind of tragedy.
但在他的眼睛里 在他的脸上 他仍然表现出来 But in his eyes and in his face, he still expressed it.
获胜者是 亨利方达 《金色池塘》 And the winner is... Henry Fonda, On Golden Pond.
哦 爸爸 我为你感到高兴和自豪 Oh, Dad, I'm so happy, and proud, for you.
《金色池塘》不是一部电影 它是一种尝试制作的工具 On Golden Pond isn't a movie. It's a vehicle to try to make
她的家人更亲密了 her family closer.
也许是因为她觉得她的家庭的其他部分正处于十分不稳定的状态 Perhaps because she felt other parts of her family... were in limbo.
你知道 我姐姐的日子更不好过 You know, my sister definitely had a harder time
和我母亲的关系比我的更近一些 relating with my mother than I have.
我记得我从医院回来 I remember coming back from the hospital,
和新生的特洛伊 with newborn Troy,
凡妮莎 高兴地盯着他看 and Vanessa, happily staring at him.
但很明显 他是另一个人 But it was also apparent that he was the different one.
他是王子 He was the prince.
凡妮莎看见我 Vanessa saw me
我带着特洛伊 因为我没有带她去 taking Troy with me, as I had not taken her.
她看到我和特洛伊的父亲住在一起 And she saw me living with Troy's father...
这不该是她的处境 我无法想象这对她来说有多困难 which was not her situation. And I can't imagine that it wasn't difficult for her.
简必须学会如何做一个母亲 The thing about Jane is, she had to learn how to be a mother...
因为那不是她女儿经历过她所经历过的 because that isn't what she experienced. She experienced,
“下来 向客人们说晚安 "Come down and say good night to the guests,
然后回到楼上 继续做你一个完美的小孩 ” and go back upstairs and be your perfect little selves."
她甚至认为她的母亲很爱她 她显然很伤心 And even thought her mother was loving, she was clearly sad.
作为一个孩子 她一定是真的感到了悲伤 She must've, as a child, really felt that sadness,
你知道 那确实会对孩子有影响 她不是一个天生的看护人 you know, it had its effect. She's not a natural caretaker.
她根本没有接受过情商训练 She had no training for emotional intelligence, at all.
我母亲没有做出很好的示范 My mother didn't have a good example of what
一段健康的关系是怎么样的 a healthy relationship looked like,
我父亲也没有 neither did my father.
我们俩都不太爱谈论我们的感情 Neither one of us were big on talking about our feelings.
我们的生活变得越来越像在两个不同的轨道上 Our lives became more and more like... on two separate tracks.
汤姆曾经说过 Tom once said,
“如果我和简发现我们在一起 "If Jane and I find ourselves together,
那一定是在日程安排上出现了错误 ” it was a mistake in scheduling."
我想最后 我们俩谁都不开心 I think that in the end, neither one of us were happy.
和一个公众人物一起生活 Living with a public figure,
她有 呃 who has, uh,
电影工作室和公司公共关系的工作 movie studios and... and public relations firms working
昼夜无休的工作让她变得更加不凡 night and day to make her larger than life, uh,
一切都变成了人造的 房子变成了一个道具 it is... it becomes artificial. The house becomes a prop,
突然间 卧室变成了道具 suddenly, uh, the bedroom could become a prop,
孩子们都是小道具 the children are props.
生活呢？ Where's life?
她感到了好莱坞的召唤 She felt the call of Hollywood.
这对我来说很不舒服 That was very jarring to me.
我成天喝酒和玩弄女性 I was drinking and womanizing.
我还没准备好成为某个人的丈夫 I wasn't ready to be the husband of somebody
她一心只想当演员 that was preoccupied with being an actress.
他对她很粗暴 He was very rough on her.
我觉得她很孤独 I think she was very lonely.
这是她不能允许出现的一个弱点 我认为这是她不能允许发生的事实 It was a vulnerability she couldn't allow in and I think a truth she couldn't allow in.
所以我认为她会接受这个事实的 So I think she would've gone on accepting that.
他爱上了一个人 He fell in love with somebody...
嗯我发现了 um... and I found out.
它确实给了我致命一击 因为 It did knock the foundation out from under me because...
我从来没有想象过没有汤姆的生活 I just never could have imagined life without Tom.
如果我不是汤姆·黑登 那么我就是无名之人 If I'm not with Tom Hayden, then I'm nobody.
在这里 她独自一人在一个关键时刻 对一个女演员来说 Here she was alone at a critical moment for an actress.
当你依然美丽 性感 风韵犹存 when you're still beautiful, and sexy, and everything,
但是这些家伙不想再和你玩了 but the guys don't want to play with you anymore.
当雷德福在制作电影《法律雄鹰》时 When Redford was making the movie Legal Eagles
德博拉·温格被选了 而简落选了 and Debra Winger got cast, and Jane didn't,
她说 “哦 天哪 发生了 she went, "Oh my God, it's happened.
“雷德福不是再为我争取 或者是工作室不想要我 "Redford isn't fighting for me, or the studio doesn't want me,
他们想要的是新的、美好的年轻明星 ” they want the new, fabulous young star."
那是一个非常困难的时期 It was a very difficult time.
只是黑暗的和痛苦的 Just dark... and painful.
然后 我的一个朋友给了我一个名字 And then, a friend of mine gave me the name
她是难以置信的灵媒 of this unbelievable psychic...
她 who...
预测 predicted...
我的意思是 细细说来 things... I mean, down to the minutiae.
她对我说：“我看到钱了 我看到这么多钱 ” She said to me, "I see money. I see so much money."
然后她说 “我看到了陆地就我所能看到的 ” And then she said, "And I see land... as far as I can see."
当然 是特德·特纳 Of course, it was Ted Turner.
最常用的词 The words used most often
来描述罗伯特·爱德华·特纳三世 to describe Robert Edward Turner III
是有争议的 are controversial,
急性子 rash,
华丽的 flamboyant,
有争议的 controversial,
雄心勃勃 ambitious,
竞争力 competitive,
还有争议 and controversial.
我敢打赌 You bet your bippy.
最好的建议是永远不要做任何事 The best advice is never do anything.
如果你什么都不做 你就不会有麻烦 You'll never get in trouble if you don't do anything.
但另一方面 你也永远不会到达任何目的 But on the other hand, you'll never get anywhere either... you know.
淡淡的心永远不会赢得淑女 Faint heart ne'er won fair lady.
第四幕
那天 The day after...
我和汤姆·黑登宣布离婚 电话响了 my divorce from Tom Hayden was announced, the phone rang,
是南方口音 and this booming Southern accent,
他说 “你愿意和我一起出去吗？” he said, "Would you want to go out with me?"
我说 “嗯 我精神崩溃了 And I said, "Well, I'm having a nervous breakdown.
六个月后再给我打电话 ” Call me in six months."
6个月后 泰德再次约我出去 And six months to the day, Ted asked me out again.
泰德是个天才 Ted was a genius,
亿万富翁 billionaire,
企业家 entrepreneur,
但他也非常英俊 but he was also gorgeous.
我的意思是 他真的是一个英俊的男人 而且非常非常性感 I mean, he was really a handsome man, and very, very sexy.
在第一次约会 On the first date...
他看着我 the way...
的那个样子 he looked at me...
我感觉自己要被吃掉了 I felt like I was being eaten.
他在吞噬我 He was devouring me,
我浑身起鸡皮疙瘩 and I got goosebumps all over me.
然后他说 “你知道 我不太了解你 Then he said, "You know, I don't know much about you,
“所以我去了有线新闻网 我查了你的档案 "so I went into CNN and I pulled your archives.
资料堆了这么高 ” There was a stack about that high."
然后他说 “然后我去了 我查了我的档案 Then he said, "Then I went and I pulled my archives.
我的是这么高 我的比你的多 ” And mine are this high. Mine are bigger than yours."
我的意思是 当我们到达餐厅的时候 离我们只有15分钟的路程 I mean, by the time we got to the restaurant, which was only 15 minutes away,
我感觉就像一场海啸席卷了我 I felt like a tsunami had rolled over me.
当他把我带回来的时候 When he took me back,
在门口他说：“我能拥抱你吗？” at the door he said, "Can I hug you?"
他拥抱了我 他说 “我我得告诉你我被迷住了 ” And he hugged me, and he said, "I... I'm... I have to tell you that I'm smitten"
在他的心中 他自己并不是一个富有、强大、有特权的人 In his heart, Ted is not a wealthy, powerful, privileged person.
他是一个喜欢玩耍的小男孩 He's a little boy who likes to play,
有狂野的才华 and who has wild brilliance,
这就是我被吸引的原因 and that's what I was attracted to.
泰德很崇拜她 他从不让她失望 Ted adored her. He'd never put her down.
泰德真的非常棒 Ted is fucking great.
现在 我宣布你 男人和妻子 你可以亲吻新娘 I pronounce you, now, man and wife. You may kiss the bride.
好吧 All right!
他们的婚礼很热闹 很搞笑 Their wedding was hilarious, just hilarious.
这是唯一一场我们都骑着马去打松鸡之后的婚礼 It's the only wedding after which we all mounted horses and went grouse shooting
我永远不会忘记我们在蒙大拿的第二次约会 I'll never forget here on our second date in Montana.
我记得我开着车 他从吉普车的窗户往外看 那是一只鸟 I remember driving around and he looked out of the window of the Jeep at a bird that was...
你可以看到它的轮廓 you could see it in silhouette,
他说这是什么 and he said what it was,
他给我讲鸟的筑巢习惯 and he told me the nesting patterns of the bird.
我想 “我可以爱这个人 ” And I thought, "I could love this man."
很明显 It was so clear...
他和这片土地有联系 that he... had a connection to the land,
还有这些生物 and to the critters,
还有 and... and...
我也一样 ...so do I.
我在圣塔莫尼卡山脉长大 I grew up in the Santa Monica mountains,
我知道所有的小动物 and I knew all the little animals,
还有虫子 臭鼬 和土狼 我很喜欢它们 and the bugs, and the skunks, and the coyotes, and I loved them.
家庭生活不幸福 The household wasn't very happy,
这就是我找到幸福的地方 so that's where I found happiness.
我们的父母都经历过自杀 We were both children of suicide,
所以我们彼此了解 so we understood each other.
像我一样 他在大自然中找到了慰藉 Like me, he had found solace in nature.
我们每天都要骑 有时是三、四、五个小时 We would ride every day, sometimes three, four, five hours.
徒步旅行 钓鱼 And hiking, and fly-fishing.
你知道 我们经历过冒险 You know, we had adventures.
简 你已经放弃拍电影了吗？ Jane, am I correct that you've given up making movies?
哦 是的 当我遇到 Oh yeah. When I met...
泰德 我一直在考虑做这件事 Ted, I was thinking about doing it anyway,
但当我遇见泰德时 我坚定了我的想法 but when I met Ted, that clenched it.
她婚姻生活开始于对特德说：“我要放弃工作 She'd begun the marriage by saying to Ted, "I'll give up work,
但是你要放弃其他女孩 ” but you give up girls."
你的意思是说 牧场可以取代电影所带来的欢愉？ You mean ranching can take the place of all the excitement of doing the movies?
泰德可以取代 Ted can.
这是你的吗 杰夫？ Is that from you, Jeff?
哎呀 这花了一大笔钱 Gee, that cost a fortune!
我认为那将是一场灾难 I thought that would be a disaster,
和我们的自由主义者 那些脆脆的格兰诺拉麦片 with our liberal, crunchy granola,
他的家人都是左翼的孩子 leftist kids coming into his family.
他们融合得非常好 And it melded amazingly well.
我学到了很多 I learned a lot...
和这些男人在一起 但我在泰德身上学到的东西最多 with the men in my life, but I learned the most with Ted.
他的愿景是宏观的 His vision was macro,
我的想法是微观的 and I'm micro.
所以我们是很好的合作伙伴 So we were a great partnership.
它是 It was...
一个令人惊喜的 有趣的婚姻 a stunningly, interesting marriage.
因为他们分享了一种世界观 一种国际主义 Because they shared a view of the world, an internationalism,
一种好奇心 a curiosity.
在那个状态低迷的时期离开好莱坞是件很棒的事 And it was great to be out of Hollywood in that dismal period
她到处碰壁 where she'd be looking for gigs.
摆脱这些很好 It was fun.
但是 你知道 最终 他们的婚姻并没有持续下去 But, you know, in the end, it didn't last.
蒙大纳飞 D 牧场
嗨 玛塔 Hi, Marta.
我很好 我正在开车去找我最爱的前夫那儿 I'm good, I'm in a car heading for my favorite ex-husband's
在蒙大拿的农场 ranch in Montana.
我觉得你看起来很棒 I think you look great.
-哈 我不-我觉得你看起来棒极了 -Ha, I don't... -I think you look great!
你看起来也很棒 You look great, too.
哦 是吗？ Oh, it is?
变老很难 不是吗 伙计？ Gettin' old is hard, isn't, man?
哦 是这样的 Oh, it is.
那棵树看起来很好 你有没有坐在它脚下 That tree looks great. Do you ever sit under it
-和你不同的女朋友？-没有 -with your various girlfriends? -No.
那是你的树 That's your tree.
很高兴见到你 It's good to see you.
是的 Yeah.
嗯 我们曾经在这里度过了美好的时光 Well, we had fun in here.
我能专横一会儿吗？ Can I be bossy for a minute?
当然 Sure.
这不是一个好主意 This isn't a good idea.
为什么？ Why?
因为你走到后面看 Because you walk into the back
这些图片 of a whole lot of pictures.
你应该把它们转过来 You should turn them,
其中一些应该面向这边 而且 哦 and some of them should face this way, and for... Oh!
哦瞧瞧 Awww.
我们度过了美好的10年 We had a wonderful 10 years.
但我必须隐藏部分自我 But I had to hide a part of me,
为了让他高兴 in order to please him.
他会在我在洛杉矶的时候给我打电话 他在亚特兰大 He would call me when I was in L.A. and he was in Atlanta,
他那时说 “我在收缩 ” and he would say, "I'm... shrinking."
当他与他的爱人分开时 When he is removed from his object of love,
只有他独自一人的时候 and he's alone,
他确实觉得自己越来越小了 he actually does feel like he's getting small.
这是一件非常值得深思和严肃的事 It's very deep and very serious.
特德不能一个人呆着 Ted can't be alone.
所以我的整个生活 And so my whole life
一定是要围着他转的 had to be about him.
我几乎不能去参加会议 It was rare that I could go to a conference.
在北京举行的妇女大会上 我需要去谈判 The women's conference in Beijing, I had to really negotiate.
开罗会议 联合国人口与发展会议 The Cairo conference, the UN conference on population and development.
我成立了一个名为乔治亚州运动的组织 I began an organization called the Georgia Campaign
为了预防青少年怀孕 for Adolescent Pregnancy Prevention,
这些对我来说非常非常重要 and it was very, very important to me.
但是有很多我想做的事情 我都不能去做 But there was a lot that I wanted to do that I couldn't do.
我们在一起度过了的十年 As we moved through the decade that we spent together...
我变得更像一个女权主义者 I became more of a feminist.
所以 我的注意力越来越集中在 And so, my focus was more and more on...
关于妇女的权益上 on women's empowerment.
但是 如果你的婚姻不行了 你很难成为一个完完全全的女权主义者 But it's hard to be a complete feminist if you're in a marriage that doesn't quite work.
我的婚姻中没有一个是民主的 None of my marriages were democratic,
因为我一直在取悦别人 because I was too worried about pleasing.
为了让他们爱我 我必须活在一个特定的模样中 I had to be a certain way in order for them to love me.
我必须以特定的方式看待世界 I had to look a certain way,
和他们在一起的时候我扮演了不同的自我 and I looked different for all of them.
我想成为一个完整的人 I wanted to be living as a whole Jane,
完整且真实的简 fully realized Jane.
我希望泰德能理解我 因为 I hoped that Ted would feel okay about it, because...
我真的很爱他 我希望我们能永远在一起 I really loved him, and I was hoping that it would be forever.
但事实并非如此 But that's not the way it played out.
当你和简分手的时候 这对你有什么影响？ When you and Jane parted, how did that affect you?
那时我 It was...
感觉非常困难 我 very difficult. I...
我以为那是 thought it was a...
一个错误 ...a mistake.
我抗了下来 她也是 I've survived, and so has she.
但是 呃 But, uh...
我觉得和她在一起比我随后的生活要 I feel like I was happier when I was with her than...
快乐许多 subsequently.
当你活出你的自我 When you reside within your own skin,
你 你能感觉到 you... you can feel it.
你拥有 You're holding...
完整的自我： all of you:
你的愤怒 your anger,
你的好意 your kindness
你的判断 your judgmentalness.
构成你的一切 Everything that makes up what you are,
包括你可能比你嫁的那个男人更强壮更勇敢 including the fact that you may be stronger and braver than the man you're married to.
当我对他说：“泰德 这是行不通的 ” When the time came that I said to him, "Ted, this isn't gonna work...
“除非有什么可以改变 ” "unless there are changes,"
我们当时在一辆车里 we were in a car, and...
车里的气氛让人窒息 我知道 all the oxygen left the car, and I knew...
本不该这样的 it's not gonna happen.
这太可怕了 It was awful.
还有 And...
我能听到一个声音说 I could hear a voice saying,
“哦 上帝 方达 来吧 他很英俊又可爱 "Oh God, Fonda, come on. He's handsome, he's cute,
“他很性感 你知道你再也不用工作了 ” "he's sexy. You know you never have to work again.
放轻松 来吧 ” Lighten up. Come on."
在这里 有一个温柔的小声音说 And over here, there was a softer little voice saying,
“如果你留下来” "If you stay...
“你永远不会是真实的自己 "you will never... be authentic,
“你永远无法成为一个完整的人 ” "you will never be able to be whole."
第五幕
蒂娜 我想我的搅拌机烧坏了 Dina, I burnt out my blender.
在泰德·特纳之后 一切都是如此 After Ted Turner, everything was so...
安静 wildly quiet.
这可能是我一生中意义最深刻的转折点 It was probably the most profound turning point of my life.
我离开了这个人 I left this man...
我的一部分是如此的悲伤 and one part of me was so sad,
但我的其他部分说 and the other part of me said,
“我会没事的 ” "I'm gonna be okay.
我不需要一个男人来让我好起来 ” I don't need a man to make me okay."
就是这样 我再也没有回头 That... that was it, and I never went back.
问题是你不明白这个问题 The problem is you don't understand the problem.
这不是个人问题 It's not personal.
四十年来我一直是这样过来的 我不会再安于现状了 I'm still being treated the way I was for 40 years, and I'm not gonna settle anymore.
你难道看不出你有多无礼吗？ Can't you see how disrespectful you were being?
我可能会 我会的 是的 我们已经谈过了 I might, I will, I am. Yes, we've talked about it.
我们在干什么？ Doing? Doing?
我来告诉你我们在做什么 我们 我们 我们 I'll tell you what we're doing, we're... we're... we're...
我们为患有关节炎的妇女做振动器 we're making vibrators for women with arthritis.
好的 上帝 Okay. God...
七十八岁的时候 我还和山姆·艾略特有床戏 Seventy-eight years old, I have a scene in bed with Sam Elliot.
很好 是吧？ Pretty good, huh?
这也很有趣 It was fun, too.
保拉·温斯坦 他是我最好的朋友 Paula Weinstein, who's my best friend,
她打电话给我 她说 “赞努克 she called me and she said, "The Zanucks who were producing the Oscars that year
那个奥斯卡之父要给我颁一个奖项 ” want you to present an award."
我说 “我不能 我已经不在这个行业了 ” And I said, "I can't, I'm not in the business anymore."
她说 “闭嘴 She said, "Shut up,
"王薇薇要给你做裙子 "Vera Wang's gonna make you a dress
莎莉赫什伯格会给你做发型 ” and Sally Hershberger's gonna cut your hair."
我复出了 I came out...
我能听到观众倒吸一口气 I could hear a gasp from the audience
因为我看起来真的很好 'cause I looked really good.
马上 我得到了蒙斯特的邀请 And right away, I got offered Monster-In-Law.
【怪兽婆婆】2005年
你知道 我想 “好吧 You know, I thought, "Well...
“人们会因为詹妮弗·洛佩兹而去看它 "people are gonna go see it because of Jennifer Lopez,
“但他们会发现 或者重新发现 简方达在荧幕上 ” "but they're gonna discover, or rediscover, Jane Fonda."
对不起 我以为是空气清新剂 I'm sorry, I thought it was air freshener.
简 我是 我告诉你 Jane, I'm... I'm telling you, I couldn't be, uh,
我真实太开心了你能复出 这东西真是太好了 happier for you. I'm a... This thing has just been tremendous.
我想 在这出戏之后 我能稍作休息 但是 不 And I would think after this run of the play, you would like some time just to relax, but no!
你看 我是欧莱雅的品牌大使 You see, I'm the brand ambassador for L'Oreal
老年大使 他们从不 for older women, but they never...
没有人雇过我这个年纪的品牌大使 nobody's ever had a brand ambassador my age.
我和玛格丽特·米德竞争 他们让我代言的是 I competed with Margaret Mead, and what they have me doing...
——嗯 是手霜、面霜和防腐精油 --...is um, hand cream, face cream, and embalming oil.
我从没想过我还会这么做 I never thought I'd still be doing this.
如果你告诉我 我现在这个年龄 If you would have told me, that I would be my age now,
仍然在工作 and still working,
我一定会非常吃惊的 I would have been totally flabbergasted.
简 简 简 Jane! Jane! Jane!
我很惊讶我有 I'm just kind of amazed that I have...
成功地重拾了一个职业 我 managed to recreate a career, and I'm...
忙的晕头转向 as busy as I am.
上帝 God!
-我的意思是 难道一个女人就不能有 -莉昂娜 -I mean, can't a lady have a... -Leona!
我们失去公众的信任了 We don't have the trust of the public anymore.
把它夺回来 Get it back!
我忘记了 我忘了慢下来 对不起 I forgot, I forgot to slow down, I'm sorry.
现在 我又要和鲍勃·雷德福一起拍电影了 Now, I'm making a movie with Bob Redford again.
她太忙了 She is so busy.
她脚不沾地 No grass grows under her feet.
她把我放在阴凉处 She puts me in the shade.
你准备好吃寿司了吗？ You ready for sushi?
是的 我准备好了 Yes, I am.
格蕾丝和弗兰基 当提出的时候 似乎是对的 Grace and Frankie, when it came along, just seemed right.
我们可以把这部分的生活展现出来 We can play out this part of our lives
在一个 in a project that speaks
我们可以说出我们想说的计划中 what we wanna speak about.
年长的女性 年长的人们 年长的 呃 Older women, older people, older, uh,
同性恋 年长的异性恋 gay people, older straight people.
我该如何向我的孩子们解释他们的奶奶为其他的老奶奶们做性玩具呢？ How am I gonna explain to my kids that their grandma makes sex toys for other grandmas?
好吧 我来告诉你怎么告诉他们 亲爱的 Well, I'll tell you what to tell them, honey.
你告诉他们 我们为像我们这样的人制作的 You tell them that we make things for people like us.
她的生活领先于我们 She lived her life in front of us,
随着年龄的增长 她向我们展示了变老是什么样子 and as she's grown older, she's shown us what that's like.
她不害怕抛头露面 She's not afraid to be out there.
我们厌倦了被像你这样的人反驳 We are sick and tired of being dismissed by people like you.
-关掉麦克风 -这是关于回答 -Mic drop. -It's about answering back,
不是默默无闻的入夜 not going quietly into that great good night.
然后继续往下 当你往下走的时候 让你的膝盖弯曲 And then go ahead and lower down and when you lower down, I want you to let your knees bend.
太好了 然后再拉回来 Great, and then pull right back up again.
-那么 -用我的手臂？ -So... -Using my arms?
你可以同时使用...... You could use both so r...
我很高兴 I'm glad...
我看起很不错即使到了这个年龄 that I look good for my age.
但我也做过整形手术 我不会撒谎 But I've also had plastic surgery, I'm not gonna lie about that.
在某种程度上 我讨厌我有这种需求的事实 On one level, I hate the fact that I have had the need...
通过改变我的身体 to alter myself physically
来让我感觉还好 to feel that I'm okay.
我希望我不是 I wish that I wasn't...
就像这样 like that.
我喜欢老面孔 I love older faces.
我喜欢脸上有岁月的痕迹 我爱凡妮莎·雷德格雷夫的脸 I love lived-in faces. I love Vanessa Redgrave's face.
我希望我更勇敢一点 I wish I was braver.
但是 嗯 But, um...
我就是我 I am what I am.
你的年龄不是按时间变化的 Your age is less chronological,
我说的是精神上的 态度上的 and more spiritual, and attitudinal.
我20岁就老了 I was so old at 20.
我的意思是 也许认识我的人会说 “什么？ ” I mean, maybe people who knew me then would have said, "What?!"
但在灵魂层面上 我是这样的 But on a soul level, I was really...
我看不到未来 I saw no future.
我当时很黑暗 I was very dark,
我是一个非常悲伤的人 very sad person.
没有快乐 There was no joy.
我真的不知道我是谁 I didn't really know who I was.
我花了很长时间才找到自己的真正轨迹 It took me a really long time to find my own narrative.
很少有人像她那样感动我 Few people move me as much as she does.
她一生都要奋斗 She's gotta fight all her life
她的不安全感 her insecurity,
知道她自己的价值 knowing her own value.
她的一生都在路上 我想她永不停息 And that's a journey that continues for her. I think she's gonna have that...
但是但是没有人勇敢地去解决问题 forever, but... but nobody braver to tackle it.
当我看着我爸爸死去 When I watched my dad die,
我觉得他 I felt that he...
有很多遗憾 had a lot of regrets.
我不想在生命的尽头 I do not want to get to the end of life...
带着很多遗憾 我知道那些遗憾并不是我所做过的 with a lot of regrets, and I know that the regrets won't be what I did,
它们是我以前没能做到的 they'll be for the things I didn't do.
这是我最后一幕的开始 This is the beginning of my last act.
为了知道如何前行 In order to know how to go forward,
我必须知道我现在身处何处 I was gonna have to know where I'd been.
让我们看看 Let's see.
那是我的祖母 That's my grandmother.
那是我爸爸长大的房子 That's the house where my dad grew up.
如果你真的回到过去 If you really go back,
试着去了解你是谁 and try to understand who you've been,
你必须了解你的父母是谁 you have to understand who your parents were.
为什么他们不能 Why were they not able...
用带有爱意的眼神看着你 to really look at you with eyes of love,
用爱的眼光来审视自己 reflect yourself back with eyes of love.
为什么他们这么盲目？为什么自我陶醉蒙蔽了他们的双眼 Why did they have duct tape over their eyes? Why did narcissism blind them...
而不是真切的看看你？ from being able to really see you?
他们的父母是谁？为什么他们的父母 Who were their parents? Why did their parents...
那样对待他们？ treat them the way they did?
2000年 我开始写我的回忆录 I began, in 2000, to write my memoirs.
我把它们献给了我的母亲 因为我认为它会迫使我 I dedicated them to my mother, because I thought it was gonna force me...
去弄清楚她是谁 to figure out who she was.
我发现我的母亲是个派对女孩 I found out that my mother was the life of the party.
“每个人都喜欢和你妈妈在一起 ”是吗？ "Everybody loved being around your mother!" They did?
“哦 我的天哪 哦 她是我的意思是 男人爱她 ” "Oh my gosh! Oh, and she was... I mean, men loved her."
而她的父亲 我祖父的家人 说： And her father's, my grandfather's side, of the family said, "Gasp!
“哦 我们都想要和你妈妈亲近 可她是一块石头 ” "Oh we all wanted to be close to your mother. She was a rock."
我就说 “我妈妈？”这 I was like, "My mother?" It was such a...
和我对她的印象不一样 这让我很震惊 unlike my image of who she was. It just stunned me.
所有这些相互矛盾的故事都出现在我的脑海中 我感觉 All these conflicting stories came to me and I'd always sensed that...
她一定有过一个非常艰难的童年 嗯 ...she must have had a really hard childhood. And, um...
所以在律师的帮助下 我拿到了她的医疗记录 so with the help of a lawyer, I got her medical records
从她自杀的机构和 from the institution where she killed herself, and...
嗯 um...
我从她的医疗记录中发现 I found, from her medical records
她患有躁狂抑郁症 that she suffered from manic depression, that's what they called it.
今天被称为双相障碍 It's today called bipolar.
她有一本小自传 And there was this little autobiography,
他们肯定是逼迫她写她的人生故事 they must have asked her to write her life story.
真是一份礼物 What a gift.
突然之间 Suddenly it's like,
我一点都不了解她 it had nothing to do with me!
这并不是说我不可爱 It wasn't that I was not lovable.
她身上发生了许多事情 她有一个非常非常非常 It's that things would happen to her, she had a very, very
艰难的童年 嗯 hard childhood, and, um,
在某种程度上 这摧毁了她 这让她崩溃了 it broke her, in some way on some fundamental way, it broke her.
我认为我母亲一生中最重要的时刻 I think the most defining moment in my mother's life
是她母亲的死 was the death of her mother.
我母亲在1950年去世 My mother died in 1950,
我从来没有想过要来这里 and I never had an inclination to come here.
在那个时候 是我来的正是时候 And at the time, it's the right time for me to come and...
去参观她的坟墓 and visit her grave.
我完成了她的人生故事 I finished her life story.
我想做的就是把她抱在怀里 And all I wanted to do was take her in my arms
然后说 “我很抱歉 and just say, "I'm so sorry.
“我很抱歉 我很抱歉我没有” "I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry that I wasn't...
“更加爱你 我不知道 我很抱歉你必须经历这一切 ” "more loving to you, I didn't know. I'm so sorry you had to go through that.
请原谅我 ” Please forgive me."
他们没有能力去爱 不是因为你不 Their incapacity to love wasn't because you weren't...
值得去爱 但那是因为他们也受了伤 worthy of love, but it was because they, too, had been wounded.
然后你可以原谅他们 And then you can forgive.
它可能会被代代相传 It goes from one generation to another, and...
但有人必须打破这个循环 somebody's got to break the cycle.
我想写这本书的原因之一是 One of the reasons that I wanted to write my book was
我想让我女儿知道 because I wanted my daughter to know
为什么我作为母亲做的不够好 why I wasn't a better parent to her
这与她毫无关系 and that it had nothing to do with her.
我很伤心 I get so sad...
当我想到我女儿不需要我的时候 when I think of what I wasn't for my daughter that she needed.
很难接受 因为这太痛苦了 And it's hard to take that in 'cause it's so painful,
但我想 永远不会太迟 but it's never too late, I think.
现在我们之间有一些事情 There are things between us now that...
已经和原来有所不同 我想我们都能感觉到 didn't used to be there, and I think we both feel it.
在内心深处 我们彼此相爱 Deep down, we love each other.
我希望她能原谅我 I hope that she'll be able to forgive me.
我很幸运 我有我的家人 还有我的大家庭 And I feel lucky that I have my family, and my extended family.
我们现在的关系更加民主 I'm now having relationships that are much more democratic.
但当我和我的女性朋友在一起时 我能更加真实 But I am most myself when I'm with my women friends.
像很多人一样 我认为我会 Like a lot of people, I sort of thought that I would
在某时 退休 at some point, you know, kind of retire, and...
但这是不可能的 but that's not gonna happen.
女演员简·方达来到坚石 Actress Jane Fonda traveled to Standing Rock
向示威者提供感恩节大餐 to serve Thanksgiving meals to demonstrators.
这是一场战斗 不仅仅是为了坚石 而是为了每个人 This is a battle for, not just Standing Rock, but for everyone.
如果你的生活没有意义 你很难真正快乐 It's hard to be really happy if your life doesn't have meaning.
人们信教是因为宗教赋予他们活下去的意义 People turn to religion because it gives them some meaning,
但我是一个积极分子 but I am an activist.
嘿 嘿 嘿 唐纳德·特朗普得滚蛋了 Hey, hey! Ho, ho! Donald Trump has got to go!
但我们正处在一个全新的时代 But we're in a whole new era.
当发生灾难的时候 我们必须在街上游行 When there's a catastrophe that's happened, we have to be out in the streets.
我们不需要在环境和经济之间做出选择 这是错误的做法 We don't have to choose between the environment and the economy. That is a false choice.
女演员简方达和莉莉·汤姆林 Actresses Jane Fonda and Lily Tomlin
参加抗议的几位名人 among several celebrities joining the protest,
与示威者一起游行 and marching with the demonstrators.
跟我说： Say it with me:
我发誓要反抗 I pledge to resist!
她不是一个不可靠的活动家 She is not a fly-by-night activist.
但她的灵魂深处 It is deep in her soul.
她的那一部分会永不停息 为她提供生活的力量 There is no stopping that part of herself 'cause it feeds everything.
他们不让我们进去 They wouldn't let us in,
但我们还是可以把钱取出来的 but we can still take our money out!
就是这种活跃的能量 There's this kinetic energy.
她不会停止的 She won't stop.
她在做她手头的事情 She's on a mission.
期望把一切做好 This intent to do well
让她的阴暗面远离 keeps her demons at bay.
有时我想说 “你不需要向任何人证明任何东西 ” Sometimes I want to say, "You don't need to prove anything else to anyone.
“你不需要一直把自己逼这么紧 不断地 ” "You don't need to push... so hard, constantly."
但是 But...
她就是她 而且 she is who she is and...
我 坦白地说 我不会改变她的任何事情 I... I, quite honestly, I wouldn't change anything about her.
我花了这么多的时间在意如果我不完美 没有人会爱我 I had spent so much of my life feeling if I'm not perfect, no one can love me.
然后 And then...
我意识到 想要变得完美是人生旅途中的毒瘤 I realized that trying to be perfect is a toxic journey.
我们并不完美 We're not perfect.
我们必须爱我们的不完美 We have to love our shadow,
我们必须拥抱并接受我们的不完美 we have to embrace and accept our shadows.
有时候 足够好就已经够了 And sometimes, good enough is good enough.